As I said previously, use whatever criteria you deem important in your assessment: your passion, the number of issues you hold, lasting story power, overall art and creativity, cultural impact, etc. All of those assessment attributes are fair game for this non-scientific study. And be sure to tell us why you positioned the books the way you did.
I found that ranking DC was somewhat easier than the challenge with Marvel. I think that is because I just followed less DC books. But where I might offend some readers here, I really did not follow the "big" titles. I wasn't really expecting to have the outcome that I did but this exercise definitely helped me see that I am more of a fringe DC fan.
Let's get started, here is my list of DC favorites. As with Marvel, I ranked these based on my Bronze Age attraction. 1) What books I had to have, 2) what runs are longest in my collection, and 3) what books are fondest in my memory.
So have fun critiquing my list, assessing your DC likes, and trying to convince others that books should move up (or down) the ranks.
Martinex1's Rank of DC Titles:
1) Teen Titans: Although this was not the first DC comic I purchased, the book was definitely an inspiration to try more DC titles. I jumped into the title mid-stream with a "buy this book because of the cover" moment when George Perez' art jumped out at me. I was enraptured by the story and had to have more, more and more. I thought Marv Wolfman weaved a nicely complex tale and I liked all of the characters (even Robin who I previously thought was cheesy). I have to say the feel of the book had twinges of Marvel's style with subplots, angst, and pathos. But it was also all new to me with Titans Tower, evil villains, and my favorite characters Kid Flash and Raven. I ate this stuff up. I never read the original Teen Titans mag, but the "New" version made me more of a DC follower.
2) Firestorm: I started to follow The Fury of Firestorm the Nuclear Man (whew - what a title!) right from the first issue. And it was definitely a favorite of mine for a while. Again, the story by Gerry Conway and art from Pat Broderick may have had more of a Marvel feel. I liked the character's costume and appearance. I liked the tension of Professor Stein and Ronnie Raymond's connection. And I liked the day to day struggles of the teen hero. I later collected the short-lived original series and enjoyed that as well. For being a more "modern" creation, I thought DC developed some of the new villains rather well (particularly Killer Frost).
3) Justice Society of America: Appearing in All-Star Comics, the odd collection of old characters caught my attention somehow. The issue depicted below is among the first ten comics I ever bought from a spinner rack. The story inside was odd and I didn't really comprehend what was going on entirely. Batman and Robin were older, the Flash was wearing a pot on his head, the Green Lantern wasn't the one I recognized, Dr. Midnight was cool, something was strange with the world, and the Huntress made her first appearance on the last page. I was hooked. Over the years, I gravitated to the JSA. If I saw them on a cover, I often picked up the book. Outside of the Bronze Age, the JSA titled book that featured the old characters as well as the legacy youngsters was a good read.
4) Doom Patrol: I enjoy this team in almost all of its incarnations. The original series really stretched the envelope for a late Silver Age title. It often gets compared to the early X-Men because of character and thematic similarities, but I found the Doom Patrol to be stranger and more tragic. The Robotman and Elasti-Girl characters caught my attention; and I think Elasti-Girl is one of the more interesting female characters of the era. I own a piece of Doom Patrol art from John Byrne's modern run.
5) Unexpected : One of DC's terror titles, I enjoyed this anthology series. I have to admit that as a youngster a couple of the tales had me sleeping with the lights on. But I still liked reading about the witches, muck monsters, creepy twists and twilight craziness.
6) Justice League of America: Obviously this series is the powerhouse title of DC. I have followed some of its incarnations (the humorous take by Giffen and DeMatteis) and its offshoots in Europe and International. My collection has some spurts of JLA and much depends on who the artist was; George Perez again gained my attention. But the title may have been slightly soured for me by the Super Friends cartoons. And as you may have noted, the big three have not ranked on my list at all yet. They were just not my super-team as I was Marvelized. But looking at my collection, I have a pretty reasonable number of issues in my long boxes.
7) Flash: Whether Barry Allen or Wally West, I like reading about this guy. Marvel has Quicksilver, but he never made it as a top tier hero. The Flash captured my imagination with his super-speed. And his Rogue's Gallery is top notch with Captain Cold, Heatwave, Mirror Master, Gorilla Grodd, the Top, and all of the rest. I've written about the Flash before. Maybe he should be higher on my list.
8) Green Lantern: The Green Lantern's power can tend to be a bit deus ex machina in its use, but I have always been intrigued by the character because his true strength is in his imagination and force of will. Creativity as a super-power can make a great comic theme, and there were some stories that I felt really captured that spirit. I am not a big fan of the Green Lantern and Green Arrow team stories, although the art is tremendous and I can appreciate their timeliness; I enjoy more the space opera stories centered on the chaos of galactic threats.
9) The Brave and the Bold: Okay, get ready to throw your computer at me... I prefer Batman as a team player! Yes, I know he is the ultimate loner, the dark knight detective, the brooding and grim fist of justice, but I need some balance. Even Robin will do. So for me, TBatB was a great book. The creators often used oddball guest stars and I ate it up. It could be hit or miss, and was definitely at its peak in the Neal Adams era, but I like the team-up books in general and this was a good one.
10) Batman and the Outsiders: See above. Ha. There was something about Batman leading a group of C-Listers that really grabbed me. And Metamorpho is just one of my weird favorites.
11) Metal Men: I know that neither the team nor the book is generally considered top-notch fare, but this is a sentimental favorite of mine. I have a nostalgic affinity to the Metal Men. I don't even own that many tales, but the team just brings back early childhood reading memories when silly characters like these sparked the imagination.
12) Hawkworld (Hawkman): Boy, did I get drawn into the 1989 series by Timothy Truman! I always thought that the Hawkman look was pretty cool and better than other winged characters, but Truman wove an interesting tale about Thanagar and its flying police force. I haven't read it for a long time and it may require a review at some point to see if it holds up, but it definitely put Hawkman on my radar.
14) Shade, the Changing Man: This was one book by Steve Ditko that I actually searched for; it had weirdness written all over it. Rac Shade, a fuguitive here from another dimension used his Miraco-vest to project distorted images of himself as he traversed dimensions and Earth, hunted by his ex-girlfriend and her parents. Peter Milligan developed another Shade title in the 90s that was equally strange if not more so.
15) Sugar and Spike: How can I not give credit to the kiddie antics of Sugar and Spike that entertained me so much as a youth? And on the recommendation of Redartz I have been searching out some of their books.
So those are my top 15 DC titles! That list can surely change as time passes, and I am sure that some of my omissions will cause some serious debate. I have to say that the big three (Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman) just never were my go-to for comic reading. As mentioned above, I liked Batman in certain situations. I have a respect for Wonder Woman and she makes it into my honorable mentions because of the great work of George Perez and later work by John Byrne. Superman, however, is one of my least appreciated and least read characters; I just never found him that interesting. I have intermittent issues starring Supes, but I always though his powers, his character development, and his supporting cast were exaggerated and dated.
Honorable Mentions do include Wonder Woman, Freedom Fighters, Dr. Fate, Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Starman, Batman, Detective, Atom, Adam Strange, Plastic Man and Black Lightning.
Not Making the Cut: Superman, Action Comics, Robin, Birds of Prey, Green Arrow, Team Titans (ugh), Nightwing, and Lobo.
So that is it folks - there were some obvious choices and some books that I am sure you will disagree about. That is okay; I am curious to see what you put on your personal lists. Make them as long or as short as you like Make Superman number one if you choose! I am sure you will bring up some titles that I have totally forgotten. Have fun and I look forward to your comments. Cheers!
16 comments:
Kamandi
Metal Men (issues 45-49, the Simonson run)
Kirby's Fourth World books
Manhunter (Goodwin/Simonson)
Green Lantern/Green Arrow
Doom Patrol
Shade (Ditko)
Sandman (Gaiman)
Swamp Thing, in all its incarnations
Hellblazer
Beowulf, if only for Villamonte's gorgeous artwork
I never liked Firestorm--both the costume and the character were unnecessarily complicated, like something you'd create in a RPG trying to use up your character creation points. And I was a huge fan of the original Teen Titans (1964-1973), but was never fond of the rebooted team.
I've always loved the character of Wonder Woman, but have never loved her series.
Jeirich thanks for pointing out so many books that didn't cross my mind. Surely I should have included some Kirby book - perhaps Mr. Miracle. I liked Kamandi (and read it much later in life) but liked MM and the New Gods a tad better.
I understand your Firestorm take, but I actually think that "throw everything at the wall" approach to his costume worked for me. Plus I was probably 13 at the time so there is no accounting for taste.
One book I forgot that should have made at least my honorable mention list is Ragman. I really liked that odd story.
I’ve been thinking about this since the Marvel list. It’s a different beast for me because, with a couple of exceptions listed below, I didn’t follow DC closely until 1987, being a “Marvel” guy. So whereas my Marvel list consists of series where I bought dozens of books over a period of years, a lot of these picks are series where I picked up a handful of issues that made a good impression. But still fun to list, so here goes!
1) Swamp Thing: got the Alan Moore run through some back-issue bingeing in the late 80s. Just the most compelling, entertaining DC run I’ve collected (and, not for nothing, but I enjoyed Rick Veitch’s subsequent run as well). When asked my three favorite comic book series growing up I rattle off X-Men, Daredevil, Swamp Thing.
2) Legion of Superheroes: in 1983 a family friend asked me to pick up Legion for her while she was out of town. It happened to be the Great Darkness Saga. I was sucked in and started buying some of them for myself, had to find out how the story ended. Still only have a handful of Levitz/Giffen issues but still cite this as the series that taught me Marvel didn’t have the monopoly on cool comics.
3) The Shadow: by Andrew Helfer and Bill Sienciewicz/Kyle Baker, one of the few series I collected in real time, just a crazy, hilarious, over-the-top ride with art to match. Re-read it recently and the fun holds up.
4) Superman: following John Byrne over to DC was the main reason I started buying DC and was introduced to all the amazing stuff I’ve enjoyed since. I don’t think this holds up as well as Byrne’s earlier Marvel work but it was still an enjoyable comic I looked forward to every month.
5) New Teen Titans: another comic I could binge on at the back-issue bins. I don’t think the writing holds up so great, but the Perez art and the huge variety of interesting characters, especially villains, made this a very fun team book to look into.
6) Batman: like Legion, the first main story I collected here was a classic, Batman: Year One, (Frank Miller was the other creator who drew me to DC). But I enjoyed getting back issues with the classic villains once in a while. Can’t go wrong with an icon like Batman.
7) Vigilante: the other DC comic I read pre-1987, a friend lent me some issues and I enjoyed the gritty violence that also seemed diluted just enough with superhero trappings and bright colors that it didn’t freak me out (felt the same about Suicide Squad years later).
8) Action Comics: didn’t collect this Byrne series as much as Superman, but the team-up format made it fun to pick up once in a while, as I was interested in getting to know a lot of characters in this new (to me) universe.
9) Hellblazer: a spin-off of Swamp Thing, and accelerated my teen angsty restlessness to move beyond superheroes to more “mature” and hard-hitting fare, which led into...
10) Sandman: just a fascinating, thought-provoking series that continued my desire to explore comics beyond the familiar. Along with Hellblazer, this led me to want to delve into more indie publishers and pick up things like Miracleman, Jon Sable, American Flagg, Concrete...just to see what was out there.
Honourable mention: JLA by Morrison and Porter, 10 years later I was pretty ambivalent about superhero comics, but the classic line-up made me give #1 a try. I felt a rush of childish excitement and started collecting the series, which gave me the fun, can’t-wait-for-next-issue vibe that made me feel like a kid again.
What goes around comes around, I guess.
-david p.
I never collected DC as a kid except maybe one here or there when there was no decent Marvel to be had on the spinner rack. But I did start checking it out in the '90's and have been steadily picking up back issues ever since.
Firestorm was one of those few I did buy in my childhood days because I thought he looked cool, and the character actually wasn't that bad. The only other character I bought then and continue to follow is Green Lantern. I have more GL than any other DC book. Didn't plan it, but there it is. I collected some Titans as well, because they seemed to be the DC version of the X-Men, but that's not something I ever followed up on outside of the Perez run.
So here in no particular order are my DC likes:
Green Lantern
Justice League (of America)
Lois Lane Superman's Girlfriend
Phantom Stranger
Batman/Detective Comics
Adventure Comics/Supergirl
Hawkman
Brave and the Bold
Wonder Woman
Mister Miracle
And what the heck, I'll show Birds of Prey some love, too. Cheers!
Like with the Marvel post, I'll just list the stuff I was regularly reading back then (late '70s/early '80s):
1. New Teen Titans - after missing the first issue on the spinner racks, I never missed another for the next few years.
2. Legion of Super-heroes - I became pretty regular reader by the time Levitz took over as the writer, even before Giffen and Mahlstedt became the regular artists, but once they came on board I was totally hooked.
3. All Star Squadron - loved it from that preview insert in JLA.
4. Adventure Comics - this one became a must-buy for me as soon as it became a dollar comic, and I stuck with it when it moved to a split format with Plastic Man and Starman stories.
5. Green Lantern - I got into the series a few issues before Green Arrow was dropped; I really liked that run of stories in that period, and loved Staton's art.
That's pretty much it for the stuff I followed month-to-month. I did read a lot of other DC titles, i.e., JLA, Batman (including Detective and Brave and the Bold), Superman (including DC Comics Presents), Flash (more for the Firestorm and then Dr. Fate back-up stories), etc., etc. but not absolutely every month.
My first 3 choices are essentially a 3-way tie for my favorite DC book ever. I just listed them in the order that they were published.
1. NEW TEEN TITANS: The writing and artwork were both stellar (for the first few years anyway). I came in a little late, but picked up back issues and ended up with a complete run up until Perez left the title. I stuck around for a little while after he left, but the book was never as good.
2. SUPERMAN (John Byrn Era): What can I say, I love me some Byrne. I never really followed Superman in the comics at all until the John Byrne reboot, and then I didn't miss an issue. In fact, it was probably my favorite book at the time. Too bad it only lasted for around 2 years. Once Byrne left the title, I didn't read it for much longer.
3. JUSTICE LEAGUE (INTERNATIONAL): Hands down my favorite version of the Justice League ever. The perfect mix of superhero action and humor made it one of the most fun to read books ever published. I will never ever forgive DC for killing off Ted Kord (Blue Beetle), my favorite member of the League.
And now for the rest.
4. BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS: This was an interesting and fun book to read, but it just never quite reached the level of titles like New Teen Titans, or the JLI. Still it had decent writing by Mike Barr and great art by Jim Aparo.
5. FREEDOM FIGHTERS: DC's version of the Invaders. I really liked this book when I was a kid. I had every issue until it was cancelled (around issue 15 or so I think).
6. THE FLASH: The Flash was one of my go-to comics when I was in a DC mood as a kid. I didn't read it regularly, but I had several issues in my collection.
7. BATMAN & DETECTIVE COMICS: I love Batman (he's one of my top 3 favorite characters) but for some reason I didn't read a lot of Batman comics growing up. I liked the live action show, and his appearances on Saturday morning cartoons, but what really turned me on to the Caped Crusader was the Batman Animated Series in the 90's. Now I have a lot of the collected volumes (like the Neal Adams TPBs and other such things) and I enjoy the stories quite a lot now.
In the earlier 1970s it was The Shadow (Kaluta!), Adventure (Aparo's Spectre!), JLA if JSA or Quality or Fawcett characters appeared AND Hauntef Tank / Unlnown Soldier / The Losers that I regularly purchased. I can't rank them though.
In the 1990s, I regularly collected the weekly superman issues. I also regularly purchased star man, the ray, and the black condor . Again, I cannot rank one over the other as I enjoyed all of them equally.
In the 1970s (in no particular order):
Batman/Detective Comics.
The Shadow.
Phantom Stranger.
The Spectre/Adventure Comics.
Superboy and the Legion of Super-heroes.
Weird War Tales.
The Witching Hour.
The Unexpected.
House of Mystery.
House of Secrets.
Ghosts.
Kamandi.
Manhunter.
As this is shaping up, it seems people had much more varied tastes when it came to DC as compared to Marvel. From war and horror titles to the big three and oddball characters. Interesting.
I never bought DC as heavily as Marvel, but did have some favorites...
1. Deadman- loved the character and Adams' art.
2. Legion of Super Heroes- enjoyed Shooter's run as back issues, but really thrilled on Levitz/Giffen.
3. Justice League International- like William, this book grabbed me with its humor.
4. Adventure Comics- like Edo, I loved the anthology format. Whether it was Spectre, JSA, Plastic Man- it was always a fun ride.
5. Batman/Detective- didn't buy regularly (except the Englehart/Rogers books), but generally enjoyed them both.
6. Sugar and Spike- Still a treasure as back issues. Picked up all their digest appearances back in the day.
7. Enemy Ace- only discovered him a few years ago, and now scrambling to read all I missed.
8. New Teen Titans- great book, followed it from the start until Perez left.
9. Rima the Jungle Girl- bought every issue after falling for that Redondo artwork.The first DC title I collected.
10. Showcase- again, always like the anthologies.
I like some of the unusual choices like Beowulf and the Shadow! Martinex, I wasn't a big Outsiders fan but I loved the Annual #1 with gorgeous art by Kevin Nowlan.
1- New Teen Titans. First comic I bought new, right from #1. Outstanding all-round!
2- Kamandi. Super imagination from Kirby in a Planet of the Apes type world. Hits all the right buttons!
3- Batman/Detective. The O'Neil/Adams issues are the best-- just read the excellent Halloween issue again: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_237 When you throw in the stories by Miller, Newton, Colan, Rogers, Mazzuchelli, etc Batman is just a never-ending source of inspiration for creators.
4- Brave and Bold. Love the Haneyverse with Aparo art, and the Adams issues are great too. Deadman, Sgt Rock, Atom, Joker, Metal Men-- lots of great teamups. (Side note: there was a Batman/Jon Sable book planned, but it never happened.)
5-Warlord. Awesome series by Mike Grell. Loved those big double-page spreads to open the stories.
6- Swamp Thing. Beautiful art by Wrightson, great characters and stories by Wein. Best horror artist ever.
7- DC Comics Presents. I liked this better than Superman/Action. Sweet art by Garcia Lopez.
8- Deadman. Love the Neal Adams series, but also the Garcia Lopez miniseries in the '80s.
9- Sgt Rock/Tarzan. Great Kubert art.
10- 100 Bullets. Cool series with distinctive art, and a massive story.
11- Green Lantern. The O'Neil/Adams issues were bold and innovative. Also liked the Grell and Staton runs, and early Alex Toth on Golden Age GL.
Special mention to JLA (loved these as a kid), all the Kirby titles (Omac, Jimmy Olsen, etc), Huntress (great female lead by Levitz/Staton), Green Arrow (just the Grell miniseries), and Manhunter by Simonson.
Hey how about one more of these topics, for favorite independent comics?
I neglected to mention the war titles, particularly Haunted Tank and the Losers (during the Kirby run).
And Warlord was pretty solid as well, although I've grown less fond of Grell's work as the years have gone by. Part of it was probably Vince Colletta's inking, which I've never loved. And I've never decided whether I love or hate his rationale for giving "Tyroc" of the Legion of Super Heroes probably the worst costume ever.
Hmmm, I'm never good at rankings because I always forget something, but here goes (in no particular order):
1)Batman/Detective (he's Batman, need I say more? His 70s and 80s stories were pretty cool)
2)New Teen Titans (great action, great characters, great art)
3)Legion (lots of room for adventure in the future, some great artists (Cockrum, Grell, Sherman, Giffen, Larocque, Lightle), and Levitz's scripts gave each character some depth ... sooner or later)
4) Outsiders (I initially got into it because of Batman and Black Lightning, but Barr wrote some pretty good stories, and Aparo and Alan Davis on art made it even better)
5) All-Star Squadron (great series with lots of historical detail; too bad Crisis screwed it up)
6)JLA (had its ups and downs, but overall it was the best place to see all the top heroes together)
7) Sandman Mystery Theater (I know it's not Bronze Age, but it's set pre-WW II and I love the noirish atmosphere and hard hitting stories)
8) Infinity Inc. (it's basically "JSA the Next Generation", and I like the way Roy Thomas handled the characters; great art too)
9) Warlord (great concept of a modern warrior ending up in a savage world, and Grell's art was great ... as was Duursema's and Ron Randall's later on)
10) I've always had a soft spot for the team-up books, Brave & the Bold and DC Presents
I'm sure I'll think of something else as soon as I hit "submit"!
There were two more titles mentioned above that I should have given some recognition:
Deadman - that was some great Adams work.
Infinity Inc. - forgot about that one but Mike W. is right. It had some good stories and interesting characters in Obsidian and the gang.
Also, I kind of liked Ditko's Creeper though I don't think the concept was fully realized. And Aquanan had some really nice covers and art.
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