Martinex1: I think the casting was inspired. I think Bixby played the tormented introvert quite well. And at the time, without CGI, Ferrigno made a good Hulk. Who else could have played that role? Schwarzenegger maybe. There were some decent guest stars along the way also, like Mariette Hartley as a love interest for Banner, and Bradford Dillman as a hunter of men in the episode "The Snare"
Redartz:The show was a departure from the comic in more than just Banner's name. Hulk's four color supporting cast was nowhere to be seen. The Leader, Abomination and the rest of Hulk's rogues gallery were likewise absent. Yet the show was very enjoyable, focusing on David Banner and his quest for control of the Hulk (while trying to stay ahead of the reporter). Each week would find David meeting a new group of supporting characters, and becoming involved with their difficulties. Of course, when crunch time came, something always 'broke the straw on the camel's back' and the Hulk would appear. The Hulk would take matters into his own giant hands, generally eliminating the cast's problem one way or another. But the downside- David's secret was now at risk again, and he has to keep moving on.
Martinex1: I really had hoped the Marvel prime time shows would have incorporated more of the villainy from the comics. I just don't think they knew how to handle the over-the-top lunacy from the comics, so they geared the live-action shows toward the standard dramas or detective shows of the era. The Hulk was more like a story of a hitchhiker making his way through various locations and acquaintances, even though he turned large and green for about seven minutes out of any episode.
Redartz: The show was essentially an anthology, with the Hulk/Banner the common focus for an ever-changing story. And it worked; Bixby's Banner was very sympathetic, earnest, concerned and helpful, yet always keeping a wall up (I wonder why?). Ferrigno's Hulk was kept fairly human, he never seemed too much the monster. And again, it worked. He sometimes reminded me a bit of Karloff's Frankenstein Monster, almost childlike and just looking to find a place.
Martinex1: I recently viewed the pilot for the series, and I was interested in the opening scenes and the revelation that Banner was married and lost his wife in a tragic accident. The scene was somewhat hindered by the late 70s technology and style, but it reminded me greatly of the opening to the Pixar film Up and the interaction of that husband and wife. This scene too was essentially wordless as the gentle interactions of the characters told the story. It was interesting that the loss of his wife, pushed Banner to study the Gamma Rays and indulge in self-experimentation. I liked that his powers were the result of guilt, loss, and failure. The early scenes with Ferrigno's Hulk were definitely reminiscent of the Frankenstein monster, especially in a scene where the Hulk interacts with a young girl at a lake.
Redartz: "Marvel's TV Sensation" was plastered over every issue of the Hulk's comics, which was only to be expected. Marvel hadn't had much television action since the 60's cartoon series. Now they had a bonafide hit, and were going to make the most of it. The show did run for several years, until 1982. It also lived on in syndication for many years after. Marvel, during this time, also had several episodes of "Amazing Spider-Man" and a Dr. Strange TV movie. These had notably less success than did the Hulk. But it was all good- our heroes were finally on TV. Another twenty years and they would be almost ubiquitous.
Martinex1: You mention the 60's cartoon, and I have to say despite its limited animation I enjoyed that series better than this attempt at live action Marvel. It may be the times, but I found it too slow moving. Bill Bixby was a fine actor and actually held the series together, but some episodes were paced so slowly with minutes after minutes of Banner walking along roads, into forests, and through towns. Because he was a bit of a loner there often were long periods of silence (or silent actors with the moody Hulk instrumental theme playing). It was not the most exciting television, when it really could have been.
Redartz: I agree, the 60's Marvel cartoons were quite enjoyable. The Marvel Super-Heroes show, and the Spider-Man and Fantastic Four programs, helped introduce me to the Marvel Universe at a young age. And you make a good point regarding the show's pacing. It was (especially for 70's television) often pretty slow. To me though, it just seemed to emphasize Banner's solitude.
Redartz: I agree, the 60's Marvel cartoons were quite enjoyable. The Marvel Super-Heroes show, and the Spider-Man and Fantastic Four programs, helped introduce me to the Marvel Universe at a young age. And you make a good point regarding the show's pacing. It was (especially for 70's television) often pretty slow. To me though, it just seemed to emphasize Banner's solitude.
Martinex1: In later years, special Incredible Hulk TV movies would appear. Sometimes they would include Marvel guest stars like Daredevil and Thor. But those characters were always somewhat askew and really not that recognizable as the four-color comic entities.
Martinex1: But the Hulk has made many appearances on the small screen other than the memorable CBS program. I definitely prefer his animated antics and adventures. Surely if you want to see more of the Marvel comic book storylines, try these programs out:
The Marvel Super-Heroes -The Incredible Hulk (1966): Grantray-Lawrence Animation produced this program as part of a wheel series - along with Cap, Namor, Thor, and Iron Man - using the comic book graphics and limited animated movement to recreate the original tales. I particularly like the theme song:
I thoroughly enjoyed how they stretched "unglamorous" to somehow rhyme with "rays." I'd give anything to see one of the Marvel Cinema Universe stars like Hawkeye teasing and humming this ditty to Banner. This early series had everything from the Circus of Crime, to Tyranus, to Boomerang, and the Watcher.
Doc Bruce Banner,
Belted by Gamma Rays,
Turned into the Hulk!.
Ain't he unglamor-rays!
Wreckin' the town
With the power of a bull!
Ain't no monster clown.
Who is as lovable
As ever-lovin' Hulk? HULK! HULK!
I thoroughly enjoyed how they stretched "unglamorous" to somehow rhyme with "rays." I'd give anything to see one of the Marvel Cinema Universe stars like Hawkeye teasing and humming this ditty to Banner. This early series had everything from the Circus of Crime, to Tyranus, to Boomerang, and the Watcher.
The Incredible Hulk (1982): The second animated series, a Marvel production, ran for 13 episodes on NBC. It included characters like Betty Ross, Talbot (here Ned instead of Glenn), She-Hulk, and Rick Jones. The Hulk fought villains like Quasimodo and the Puppet Master.
The Incredible Hulk (1996): This offering on UPN was even more faithful to the characters in its two seasons of 21 episodes. Lou Ferrigno voiced the Hulk on this cartoon. Characters such as the Leader, Doc Samson, the Gargoyle, Abomination, General Ross, and MODOK all made appearances.
An occasional episode of The Simpsons references the Hulk. Homer once turned into the Ingestible Bulk, And the 'real' Hulk fought in favor of St. Patrick's Day in a brief appearance.
Thanks for tuning in today!
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Here in the UK "The Incredible Hulk" was broadcast on the commercial channel ITV (Independent Television) and at first I was thrilled about a Hulk series - but I was rather underwhelmed when I saw it. Where was the rest of the Marvel Universe ? Why didn't the Hulk speak ? Why was he wearing that stupid wig ? But the line "Don't make me angry - you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" is terrific - they should've used it in the comics (perhaps they did ?) By the way, I've read that the name "David" Banner was used instead of Bruce because TV executives thought Bruce sounded gay ! And I'll just mention that the Spider-Man TV series wasn't broadcast here - instead, the pilot episode and another episode were stuck together and released in cinemas as "Spider-Man: The Movie" at Easter 1978. Obviously I went to see it and a few weeks later I went to see Star Wars...Spidey and Star Wars just a few weeks apart, woo hoo !! But we did get the Dr. Strange TV movie which was quite enjoyable as I recall.
Thanks for the review, great stuff as always.
It's interesting that whenever I remember this series I think of Bill Bixby rather than Lou Ferringo. He certainly was a striking actor, almost a prototype Robert Downey Jr in his ability to prompt viewers to identify hin with his alter ego.
Stan Lee said the show Producer changed Banner's name to David because Bruce sounded "too gay." Stan was not pleased.
Finally, I can only find sales rankings online for 1973 and 1983. In 1973 the Hulk comic ranked 7th in the Marvel sales list and in 1983 it ranked 10th. Curious to know the interim figures - if I get time later I'll root through longboxes for the relevant postal data through 1976-1979. Does anyone know the month these were published?
I didn't make it regularly all the way through the first season-- although home-life and extra-curricular over-achieving had a lot to do with that as well.
But no, my friends (I've probably mentioned this before) all assumed this would be my favorite TV show on planet Earth EVER. And it completely wasn't. Although not as emphatically negative, my response was probably more along the lines of true-blue (er-- "green") Green Lantern fans' response to the GL film a few years ago. There was so much wrong with it that I found myself watching it on the strength of Bill Bixby's performance alone, until I just couldn't find a reason to continue on with it.
The Hulk in the comic is a fully developed, three-dimensional, deceptively simple, thinking character. The mute green fella on the TV show was not any of those things to any appreciable level. And was never on-screen long enough to develop much nuance one way or the other. Along with the name-change from David to Bruce ('cause yeah, that Bruce Lee, there's a threat to any homophobe's sensibilities. . . ), it was clear that the network heads decided that- popular source material be damned- they knew far more about what was "good" than anyone who actually created or enjoyed the comic books.
The other big problem is that, having grown up on old re-runs of THE FUGITIVE, it was immediately clear that the show was going to rely on that hackneyed old formula. It's easy to produce; gives latitude for the writers to toss in whatever topic grabs their fancy each week. . . and takes the thrust of the plot off of the show's central character. Central character becomes a catalyst rather than driving the weekly plot himself. So-- it's a show about everyone else, in a way. And the "chase" aspect is transparently artificial-- because Banner can never actually get caught (or held) without wrecking the show's thin structural premise. Bleah.
Mind you, when well-meaning friends would ask about how much I loved the show, and I would start to wax on about character-integrity, and the "real" Hulk, etc, etc, their eyes would quickly glaze over, and I'm sure they were making little twirly-forefinger-at-the-temple gestures to each other as I walked away. . .
It's a cross a fan sometimes has to bear, I realize that now. . . (heh)
HB
Not to hijack today's topic, but very annoyed and saddened with the passing of Richard Hatch. Got to chat with him several times over the years, last being just 8 months ago at a St Louis con, actually the day after I got married. As Lorne Greene's character did in the series to him and Jane Seymour, Richard made a huge deal of marrying ('sealing') my new bride and I.. then his typical thumb-wrestling challenge. I have some pics up on my FB page.
He invited both my wife and I out to dinner, but after driving 8+hrs just to get down there, we were just too tired to be sociable.
Such a loving and cool gesture from a passionate and professional fan favorite, quite-literally 'The Face of Galactica'. He will be missed.
Ok, back to our ever-loving Hulk.
Colin B., I am not sure I am answering your question and may not understand... the Incredible Hulk comic that emerged from Tales to Astonish at #102 was published monthly ongoing and was monthly between 1976 and 1979.
The blurb "Marvel's TV Sensation" first appeared on the cover on Annual 7 which we just reviewed Monday. It shortly thereafter appeared on the monthly Incredible Hulk Issue 227 cover dated September 1978 and ran on the cover in some format (circle, starburst, or banner) until Issue 251 cover dated September 1980 during the run of the show.
I hope that answers what you were asking.
Thanks Martinex1. I didn't explain very well - was wondering if there was a standard month for the publication of postal circulation data. Knowing this will make the longbox hunt much quicker :)
Sorry Colin, I have no info to help your investigation . I apologize for the confusion.
Yes david_b, I was sorry to hear that news yesterday. I never met the man, but like your story I heard many good things about his character and friendliness from people who had interacted with him. Pancreatic cancer is so devastating.
IIRC, the book itself during the years of the series' popularity took a pronounced, clearly-editorial shift toward mimicking the format of the show. More of Bruce-- who was perpetually the hunted/haunted guy-on-the-move. This may have resulted in a short-term boost in sales, using the book as tie-in merchandising, really, but it was a tough and off-putting slog for the long-term fans who were invested in having a supporting cast of some sort, and adventures that seemed more directly connected to the MU. (Again, this is from my fuzzy memory--)
HB
OK...according to US Postal Service statements:
Incredible Hulk #209 cover date March 1977. 206,482 copies sold for the last issue before the statement was generated, presumably autumn the previous year. The print run was obviously higher.
Incredible Hulk #221 March 1978 170,446 copies sold.
Incredible Hulk #233 March 1979 188,813 copies sold.
For context, the first issue emblazoned with 'Marvel's TV Sensation' was #227 cover dated September 1978.
So it looks like the TV show provided a modest bump in sales without regaining 1976 circulation figures.
I don't have a copy of #245 March 1980 which may provide a better yardstick for sales.
David_b- great story, and yes, another sad loss. But what a cool memory to keep...
HB- Yes, I do recall that editorial turn in the big magazine "Rampaging Hulk". I was reading that at the time, and it did seem to follow the wandering premise of the show, while skimping on the supporting cast.
Oh, and was there not some controversy at some time: Lou Ferrigno unhappy with the Hulk's characterization, and requesting more screen time? Seems like some later episodes focused more on him...
Hey hey hey on to the Hulk TV show!
OK, I remember staying up late one night to catch the pilot episode 'cause that's what 7-year old Hulk fans do when they find out one of their favourite Marvel characters is coming to the small screen.
Hmm as I recall, the TV Hulk was different from the comics Hulk in several ways - less powerful, not having the ability to speak and different origin too. I believe that the TV Hulk didn't feature other Marvel universe characters like the Leader because of two main reasons - the budget would not have allowed for other major Marvel characters, and the producers would not have bothered to get the copyright permission to use these characters.
Martinex1, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger was considered for the Hulk role at one point but he was ultimately rejected (too short they said; has he shrunk? During his bodybuilding heyday he was listed as 6 ft 2", but many people who have met him say he appears shorter than that). The producers sent out a casting call for the biggest and tallest bodybuilder out there, and they got just that in Lou Ferrigno! Another actor, Ted Cassidy who did the opening narration was also considered but was not muscular enough.
Also, Stan said that initially the producers wanted to make the Hulk red, because 'red is the colour of rage'. Glad they nixed that idea!
- Mike 'you tell 'em, HB!' from Trinidad & Tobago.
Good ol' Ted Cassidy! Yeah, he was Lurch the Butler on The Adams Family, and popped up on Star Trek and other shows as well. Was also in BUTCH CASSIDY & THE SUNDANCE KID. I believe he may have been the voice of the Hulk's "roar" for the show too (you can hear it, if you're familiar with his voice).
Red?? Good grief! "And, rather than big and strong, we should make him a guy who LOOKS weak, but is strong on the INSIDE!" "And we should change the name to something else, too---"
I do think Lou was probably as close as anyone could hope to get to having a real, live, wonderfully-muscled person take on the role visually. No demerits from me on that score.
HB
Was very disappointed in the Hulk show... I was hoping they'd have someone in a Hulk costume with prosthetics, not just some weight-lifter in green make-up. The wig and the fake nose just made it worse... Hulk has a TINY nose!
Also, I'd mentally stereotyped Bill Bixby as that funny dude on My Favorite Martian.
Apart from all that that, the Hulk show was just really low-key, dour and it seemed they were under orders to make it as boring as possible. From memory he was fighting bank robbers with big sideburns and bell-bottom corduroys.
A long way for the bombast of the comics.
Still (twist ending) I was an avowed Hulk maniac and never missed an episode :)
Had my first (and only) Letter of Comment published in that Rampaging Hulk mag back in 1978 too.
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