Thursday, June 15, 2017

Chew The Fat: The Golden Age through Bronze Age Glasses!


Martinex1: Are we the last generation to appreciate Golden Age comics?

When I started collecting comics around the mid 1970s, the world was barely 30 years removed from the end of World War II.   At the time many of the comic creators were still from a group raised from the Great Depression era through the post-war 1950's.   There was a certain perspective around heroism and honor that I believe is specific to that age and was reflected in many Silver and Bronze Age works. 

The Golden Age of comics was in the rear view mirror but there were so many remnants in key Marvel issues that I enjoy even today.  Roy Thomas played a big part in that as he brought many of the characters forward in time or in unique or altered ways.   Take a look at these Marvel offerings with hints of the Golden Age sprinkled in (or bluntly apparent). 






Sometimes a name was just put back into play.  In other cases a character was resurrected.   And in yet others the stories were framed in a WWII milieu.

In addition we were exposed to reprints that collected some of the old great stories.  This was particularly apparent in the Fantasy Masterpieces collections from the late 1960s.   These particular issues were floating around in a cousin's collection.





Of course the original Invaders were key (though they weren't called that at the time).  Captain America, the Human Torch, and the Sub-Mariner leapt off the pages but they weren't necessarily the characters I adored.   It confused me as a youngster - these doppelgangers were sometimes violent, odd, and brutal.   There were times that I was shocked and even frightened by the murders, suicides, and vengeful retribution that filled the books.  Later it clicked that they were created at a different time and that they were essentially prototypes of what I had come to know and admire.  

As I grew older and started visiting the local comic shops, I was exposed more to those original early comics.  I remember first learning of the "Golden Age" moniker through labeling on special poly bags, boards, and boxes designed for the larger size of the issues.

I have to admit though that I did not collect the issues.  Somehow - through osmosis I guess - I absorbed a fairly good understanding of the early heroes, their powers, and general attributes.  Here are a handful that caught my eye.  Yellowjacket and the Vision were of particular interest because of their modern link to the Avengers.   The Black Terror reminded me of the Grim Reaper.   And Daredevil, despite his namesake looked like 3-D Man to me. 






And of course DC characters made the leap from the  Golden Age to the Silver Age, often with limited changes.





Don't get me wrong - I am no expert on the era.   I like to look at the work with a slight nostalgic twinge.  And that makes me come full circle - are we the last generation to have any exposure to these comics and have an appreciation for how they led to more accessible stories, the refined art, and even the modern movies that entertain us today?   Did you collect Golden Age work?  What do you know and what do you recommend?   Who are the creators that we should seek out if we explore the works of the time?  We talk about the selling market for Bronze Age works, but what is the market for Golden Age comics?   Are they worth exploring for their historical perspective - both honorable and horrific?  Let's chew the fat today!  Cheers all!

16 comments:

Ewan said...

While I'm foremost a Bronze Age collector with a fair amount of Silver as well, the Golden Age has always intrigued me and is somewhat well represented in my collection (though almost exclusively reprints, I have only 2 actual comic books from that era).

I do have a soft spot for the early Superman material, but in truth, I find it difficult to go back and regularly enjoy until later in the 40's when Wayne Boring and then Al Plastino came on board (similar to how Batman evolved with Dick Sprang).

Lou Fine (the Ray) was a particularly excellent artist for that period in my opinion. Jack Cole's Plastic Man was artistically quite interesting as well. I know Will Eisner's The Spirit is considered a major classic and one I keep trying to make time to actually read.

I enjoy some of the old C.C Beck Captain Marvel material too. And on a related note, Marc Swayze's Mary Marvel art has always stood out to me.

Other highlights for me more on the cartoon strip side are Hal Foster's Prince Valiant, and Alex Raymond's Flash Gordon. And this pre-dates the traditional Golden Age era, but Winsor McCay's Little Nemo in Slumberland was way ahead of its time.

But all that said, much of that era I do find difficult to read regularly. Much of the art is very crude and the story-telling equally rough, lacking the warmth of what was to come later in the 50's and into the Silver Age.

The market for the Golden Age is an interesting question, I think one aspect of those comics that is historically important is the snapshot into WWII era sensibilities, and the patriotism and view of the threats they were up against. In terms of the selling market, the actual original copies are so exceedingly rare that even with an aging demographic who may have been closer to this material earlier in their life, I suspect there will be continued high demand and prices well into the future.

Charlie Horse 47 said...

I'll post again later today, but I would simply recommend that if you have any (!)interest in the Golden Age, buy Steranko's History of Comics Volumes 1 and 2.

Vol 1 covers Pulps, (Timely) Marvel, and DC 1930-1940s.

Vol 2 covers "the 2nd bananas" (Steranko's words) like Fawcett, Quality, Lev Gleason, Fiction House, etc. in the 1930s and 1940s.

The books are large (think Treasury Edition), the wrap-around covers gorgeous, full-page pinups and originals by Kirby, Everett gorgeous (Vol 1), in-depth research and interviews by Steranko is top-shelf... They'll each set you back about $20 on e-bay but it'll be the best double-sawbuck you'll ever spend, on comic related stuff. On Amazon they both get 5 stars. Written in the 1970s but still relevant!

Run, don't walk, to ebay and "win" these two books! You won't be disappointed!

Rip Jagger said...

Actually I've been reading quite a bit of Golden Age material this summer. I'd echo a great deal of what has already been said about Eisner's The Spirit, a great strip. The influences of Alex Raymond and Hal Foster cannot be overrated, they are key to what were the beginnings of comic books.

My focus this summer has been the Simon and Kirby team. Right now I'm reading some Newsboy Legion stories from Star Spangled Comics. And on the nightstand waiting are two volumes each of Captain America and Boy Commandos. There's also a neat little volume of Sandman stories. I wish there was one of the team's Manhunter work.

Add to that the wacky work of Fletcher Hanks with stuff like Stardust and Fantomah and you have a weird variation.

Two volumes I'd recommend to everyone are Marvel Firsts: WWII Super Heroes and Supermen! The First Wave of Comic Book Heroes from Fantagraphics. These are chock full of Golden Age goodness (and otherwise). The artwork on these stories can vary in quality quite a bit. The sleek artwork of Bill Everett stands out and other artists, some unknown really show that just about anyone could kick out a comic story back then. It was a field full of teenagers and swindlers and that energy and rough and tumble produced more really good material than you'd have expected.

When it comes to artists of the era I'd want to see more of, the names that come to mind are Ray Bailey (The Spectre), Ray Burnely (Superman), Fred Guardineer (Zatara), and Jack Cole (Plastic Man).

Rip Off

William said...

Yo Martinex1, did you include that image of "Black Terror" #5 for me? In a post a couple of weeks ago I mentioned that that was the only actual Golden-Age comic book that I own. When I saw it I was like "Hey! That's my comic!!" LOL

Personally I really loved reprints of the old Golden-Age comics when I was a kid. What really got me interested was probably the copy of "Secret Origins of the DC Superheroes" that I got when I was like 10 or 11 years old. A huge TPB that contained the origins of most of DC's main characters, like Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, and my favorites Plastic Man and Captain Marvel (SHAZAM!), and a few others. In some cases they had both the Golden-Age and Silver-Age versions of a character's origin (like Flash and GL). I actually found myself liking the GA versions better in a lot of cases.

I still have that book, plus a few of the DC Archive hardcovers that reprint a lot of the DC Golden-Age stories. I have all 9 volumes of Plastic Man, and a couple of SHAZAM! and Batman and Superman as well as "The Greatest Golden-Age Stories Ever Told. I also have the Captain America 2 volume hardcover set from Marvel, and the HC reprint of Marvel Comics #1, featuring the original Human Torch and Sub-Mariner. I also have Will Eisner's Spirit Casebook, and a few other various GA reprint volumes.

I guess what I liked about the GA comics was their simple, straightforward storytelling that featured colorful good guys fighting obvious bad guys. The lines between good and evil were more clearly defined in those days, which appealed to me when I was a kid. It was just easier to understand what was going on.

Now that I've gotten older (much much older) the Golden-Age stuff is a little harder for me to take. But I still have a great fondness for the characters.

Redartz said...

Top of the list here for me is Will Eisner. His Spirit stories are magnificent examples of what the comics medium is capable of. Although some elements are a bit dated, and there are some uncomfortable racial stereotypes (unfortunately found in many Golden Age comics), the characters are rich, and the visuals truly matchless.

Marti, I have been reading many of those Fantasy Masterpieces issues you discussed. Fascinating, even with the rough art and story. Bill Everett's Sub-Mariner really stands out. Kirby's early work is somewhat crude, but striking. Oh, and the old monster reprints ( technically not Golden Age) are fun to see.

Most of my DC Golden Age exposure comes from their old 80 page giants. I'd agree with Ewan regarding those old Superman books.

One area of Golden Age books not mentioned yet- humor. Carl Barks was at work on the Ducks, and doing wonderful stories. Those old Dell Disney books were positively loaded with entertaining tales. And the early Archie tales are worth investigating. To their credit, Archie Comics have been reprinting some of those Golden Age stories in the new, revamped Archie series of the past couple of years...

Ewan said...

Redartz, great call on Carl Barks, can't believe I forgot that one! I have been thoroughly enjoying the recent Fantagraphics collections.

Charlie Horse, you mentioned the Steranko history books, I have not made it to those yet but have now added them to "the list" (they look wonderful). I do have the Paul Levitz "Golden Age of DC" volume, beautiful volume capturing the DC side of that era that I'd recommend as well.

Humanbelly said...

Yep, I'll second (or third) the value of the two Steranko history books. I borrowed them from a pal back in, like, 1979 or '80-- and much of what I read still lingers. Particularly his love for Plastic Man. Even though we're chronologically farther away NOW from the books' publication than they themselves were from much of their Golden Age subject matter-- I suspect that they won't have lost their relevance.

HB

Edo Bosnar said...

As a dyed-in-the-wool Bronze Ager, I find most Golden Age stuff interesting as the background or history for the later stuff I like better. Like William, I like the characters and their legacy more than the actual stories and art.
There are exceptions, however. I so totally agree with everyone who mentioned Eisner. Despite his occasional use of racial stereotypes, as well as his occasional sexism, he was way ahead of his time. I agree with Ewan about Lou Fine, and I'd add Reed Crandall, Mac Raboy and Matt Baker as a few artists from the time who were turning in outstanding work.
By the way, there's a ton of Golden Age comics (and also stuff from the so-called 'Atomic Age' - 1950s) that are in the public domain now and freely available in electronic form: just go to the Digital Comics Museum. You can really get lost there.

ColinBray said...

Judging by previous discussions in this very corner of the internet, it seems that we are the last generation to truly live with the reality of both the Golden Age of Comics and World War 2 - the two are somehow, interestingly connected.

I own a handful of GA issues - for reasons of curiousity rather than investment. That is, a small number of funny animal books, a small number of Little Dot books and (perhaps more interesting historically) half a dozen 3D comics from the 3D fad that lasted 1953 and 1955. Perhaps 3D comics could be a blog topic here sometime?

Charlie recently introduced me to the original Plastic Man issues (thanks Charlie!) and they are fantastic.

A plug here for the CGS message boards esp. the Golden Age section - a wonderful way to waste an afternoon (and more) browsing the wonderful comics owned by high-end collectors. In particular check the thread started by BangZoom. His collection and the story of how he built it is a joy.

ColinBray said...

Sorry, that should have read 'CGC message boards'

Graham said...

I came up during the 100 Page Super Spectaculars that DC issues in the early 70's, so that served as my exposure to the Golden Age stories. My Marvel experience is limited to updated stories about their Golden Agers.

I was fascinated by those stories because they were from another time and it was interesting to see older stories about characters I loved. I particularly remember the Batman 100 Pager that told the story of Two Face.

A few years ago, I joined that WOWIO group that gave away free electronic books and they included some newer and older comics. Via that, I picked up some of the lesser known heroes....Black Terror, Fifghting Yank, Daredevil, Bulletman, and many others.

Granted, there was some less than stellar writing and art, but there were enough good stories to make it all worthwhile.

Charlie Horse 47 said...

Everything written above is spot on. Like all comic-book eras, some works are superior and some inferior.

The Golden Age, however, has a cache of nostalgia associated with it (WWII and the founding of our hobby) such that inferior comics by almost any standard can be highly valued if a costumed character is punching Hitler or a female is well endowed.

Regarding superior works, the story telling, art, cleverness, and uniqueness of (at least) the following deserve every comic reader’s attention imho: Prince Valiant by Foster, Plastic Man by Cole, and The Spirit by Eisner. These are all collected in archives and easily available.

Imho it’s worth owning at least one Golden-ager. As a suggestion, one could buy a copy of Captain Marvel from the earlier 1940s for like $25ish in G –VG condition (Whiz, Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr.). Fawcett was a major publisher and Captain Marvel outsold Superman or Batman, selling over 1,000,000 / week as I recall. (DC sued Fawcett out of business in the mid-50s.)

Just be patient . The market is so, so thin and erratic, for the 2nd-tier characters especially and occasionally the major characters, that you will find books remarkably reasonably priced. E.g., about a year ago I bought a copy of Leading Comics (Seven Soldiers of Victory!) in VG for like $35. No other bidders. (The same Seven Soldiers who were part of the famous JLA-JSA-Quality-Fawcett crossovers from like JLA 100 in the early 70s!)

Mike Wilson said...

I've never been a huge Golden Age fan; there were some great artists back then, but the writing was pretty corny, and writing is what I look for first in a comic. I do like All-Star Comics, with the early JSA stories, but I wish they didn't split the team up in every single story!

Charlie Horse 47 said...

Lastly, there is a ton of GA non-superhero comics that can be had for $10 or less e.g., “Daredevil and the Little Wise Guys.” Daredevil stopped appearing around issue #52 and only The Wise Guys appear for the next 100 or so issues. Their stories are good fun to read. The writing is fine, the art is fine… I’ve seen them 3 for $10 on ebay!

So, go get yourself a piece of the GA, pardner! Take a little trip back in time!

And don’t forget Steranko’s History Vol 1 and Vol 2!

Anonymous said...

My first brush with the Golden Age (apart from Captain America of course) was the Invaders series by Roy Thomas. I was never a serious collector but it was interesting to see them at least from a historical perspective, especially with regard to World War 2.

Cap's resurrection from the ice and his joining the Avengers as well as the various stories with the Avengers interacting with Invaders and Liberty Legion was a great bridge between the Golden Age and the Bronze Age.


- Mike 'still living in the Stone Age' from Trinidad & Tobago.

Garett said...

I love looking at Golden Age covers like the ones you have here. I bought a book in 1977 that I still have, The Golden Age of Comics by Richard O'Brien, that was a treasure trove of awesomely reproduced covers, plus a writeup about that era.

My favorites to read are the Simon/Kirby comics, especially their crime/gangster stories. Like Rip, I'd like to see a reproduction of their Manhunter series.

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