Thursday, June 22, 2017

Panel Discussion: Marvel's Soft Scenes!

Martinex1: Sometimes there are comic book panels that just stick with you; and sometimes these panels have nothing earth-shattering or epic happening. Today I want to explore a few of those types of panels. 

Marvel was quite good at developing subplots in the Bronze Age and often those were character driven arcs around the super-heroes' private lives.  Casts of characters were developed and elaborated upon; often a significant number of pages were dedicated to the non-powered lives of the title characters and their friends and family.  If the pages didn't contain characters in costume or doing anything amazing or spectacular, I dubbed these "soft" scenes. 


When I was very young, an older cousin of mine supplied a large box containing a wide array of comics.   A handful of issues are remembered fondly including Amazing Spider-Man #78 and #84.

These were fantastic episodes from late November 1969 and May 1970 at the dawn of the Bronze Age.  Both were written by Stan Lee with art by John Buscema and Jim Mooney.  The earlier issue was the premiere and origin of the Prowler; the latter issue had Spidey battling wits with the Kingpin and the Schemer.

Even though I remember much of the books' art as it was etched into my mind at that early age through numerous readings, a few pages and panels stick out to me and they have very little to do with he main plot.

I don't know why this page with Gwen and Flash enjoying a cup of joe at the Coffee Bean is memorable, but I really liked it for some reason.   I like the depth of the view (even with the ridiculous Peter Parker plastered against the window) and I like the angle and casual accuracy of the second panel.  Nothing happening here except some romantic misunderstandings ala Three's Company, but I liked the drama even at a young age.

Earlier in the issue, Spidey tried to call Gwen but didn't have any change (obviously because the suit has no pockets).  He notices one slim dime down below the sidewalk grate and retrieves it with his web.  In the middle of the call, a brute bangs on the booth in order to get his turn.  Even though Peter is in costume, the actual scene is rather mundane and kind of a page filler, but I always enjoyed the trivial ways that the hero used his powers and how his down-on-his-luck misery was always part of his characterization.  If you don't read Spanish you can still easily follow along to Buscema and Mooney's work (it was the only example of the page that I could find on the world wide web).


In issue #84, I jump to a simple panel of the Schemer musing about his treacherous self.   It is so silly really.   But what I absolutely adored was that the villain was hanging out in his well-equipped car.   There was actually a snow storm going on and the megalomaniac was buried in a drift just cooling off.   Check out the Buscema gadgets and controls all around him.   I found it both funny and appealing at the same time.

So they may seem trivial - a romantic entanglement, a mundane task gone awry, and a villain chillin', but they all have stuck with me for about 45 years. It was part of what made Marvel (and comic books in general) so real and attractive to me.

Do you have any odd recollections like these?   Are there smaller soft scenes that stick with you?  Am I totally bonkers?   Let us know what you think and thanks in advance for sharing your comments.


16 comments:

david_b said...

Funny, I started Iron Man in '73 as well, around ish 62-63 and the entire Tony-Happy-Pepper was goin' on.., some letter writers were getting annoyed with the soap opera aspect, I was actually liking it, for a 'mature' 10yr old. Same for DD's relationship with Natasha, and of course, the heart-ache of the Reed-Sue separation (just after my own parents had separated....).

That was another reason why the Death of Gwen delivered so much anquish for the masses, that 'yeah, they actually did it' type of thing; hence my total annoyance when they brought in her clone.

Mix in the Avengers Vish-Mantis-Wanda-Swordy tension that Englehart was writing in at that time..? Those softer (and not-so-soft) personal moments is what made those characters all the more endearing, folks.

'Nutty as that sounds..', as Stan Lee would undoubtedly add at this juncture.

William said...

Page 16 of Amazing Spider-Man #141 is a page I will always remember. It is one one of my earliest Marvel Comics reading memories.

(If we could upload images on here I'd post the page, but I will just have to describe it.)

In the first panel of the page Spider-Man is swinging along thinking "This web-slinging can make a man hungry." Then down below he sees a man walking out of a McDonald's with a bag a food. Spidey shoots a web-line down and snags the bag right out of the guy's hand while he's distracted by some kids. Spidey is thinking to himself "This may not be strictly ethical, but when a man's starving to death, who has time for morality?" Then we see the web-slinger on the roof with a drink and a burger in hand saying "The poor guy looks like he's going to have a canary. Just as soon as I set this stuff down, I'll shoot a couple of dollars to him on my webbing and maybe--" He never finishes his sentence because he is suddenly attacked by Mysterio and falls off the roof, dropping his dinner in the process. (Poor Pete just can't catch a break). Also he basically stole a man's food and never got a chance to pay him back for it.

I loved this page, and remember it so well, because it was one of the main scenes that I credit with turning me into a card-carrying Marvel Zombie. The thing that hit home to me was the fact that they actually used McDonald's in the scene. Not McRonald's or McDougle's, or some stupid name that DC would have used.

As a 10-year old kid this really made a huge impression on me, and gave me the idea that Marvel's characters lived in the "real world". MY WORLD. I mean, I ate at McDonald's and so did Spider-Man! Holy cow!! After that I considered the Marvel Universe to be the real comics universe, and the DCU to be the fictional comic universe. Hey I couldn't visit Gotham City or Metropolis, but if I went to New York I may see Spider-Man web-swinging overhead.

david_b said...

William, GREAT points sir...., especially on the McDonalds.

Yep, no 'Metropolis' or 'Central City' either..., just pure New York and LA, baby... LOL.

david_b said...

Adding to that, Ben Grimm's comments on watching 'All in the Family', mentioning Nixon, etc... that's what made the entire MU soooo inviting.

I recall some comments in BAB a few years back, about someone visiting New York as a kid and being so excited because he might 'actually see Spiderman' or something along those lines. If anyone recalls, let me know.

AND what made the MU even FUNNIER, was the realism that the Bullpen got not-quite-right.., like the jive-speakin' banter in Luke Cage, Sam Wilson and other street-lingo they'd hilariously try to emulate in urban scenes... (not to mention the European scenes in Tales of Suspense, already mentioned back in BAB, but that's an entirely separate subject...)

(sorry, had a quick work call to handle....)

Redartz said...

Great topic! William, nice call on that McDonald's scene. Little touches like that are what really humanized Marvel, and set them apart from other companies.

So many memorable "soft panels". One old favorite: from the first Spider-man Annual. Near the end, when Peter, Betty Brant and Aunt May are back at their home after the ordeal with Dr. Octopus. May suddenly gets quite upset. Pete is concerned- is she suffering a delayed heart attack? No, she's just bothered that they missed the Beverly Hillbillies. Wonderful.

Mike Wilson said...

Yeah, I always liked the "soap opera" scenes in comics, and Spidey comics seemed to do it really well. A few that come to mind:

Peter introducing MJ to the gang at the Coffee Bean for the first time (and Gwen getting strangely silent); Pete, Flash, and Harry going to see one of the Star Trek movies together; Aunt May telling MJ to fight if she wants to keep Peter; Spidey having breakfast with the X-Men in MTU #117; Wonder Man and Beast talking philosophy after seeing some avant-garde movie; Cap and Bernie Rosenthal hanging around his apartment and talking about his past; Vic and Gar having a heart-to-heart after Terra's death; the Infinity Inc. gang at a pool party just hanging out; the Legionnaires celebrating Klordny Week.

Edo Bosnar said...

Funny that you featured ASM #78; the first-ever comic I had was Marvel Tales #59, which reprints the story (even the covers are almost identical). And I totally, quite vividly recall that panel of Spidey fishing the dime out of the sewer with his web!
And William, I totally remember that sequence with Spidey swiping that poor guy's McD's take-out. Also read it in a Marvel Tales reprint. The weird thing is, I recall Spidey webbing down a few bucks at the same time he snatched the guy's bag. Really no way of finding out if I'm remembering that right or if it was one of those cases of a small change being made to the story when it was reprinted.

Anyway, if what's is being described here as soft scenes includes all of those character-building, soap-operatic moments in comics, then that was what really made me a fanatical reader of a number of titles in the late '70s, like Claremont/Byrne/Austin's X-men, Michelinie & Layton's Iron Man, Miller's Daredevil, etc. They were chock full of them.
And I totally agree with Mike W. about the buddy banter between Beast and Wonder Man during their off hours in Avengers and the similar friendship between Gar and Vic in New Teen Titans, and since he mentioned Cap and Bernie (still my favorite love interest of his), I liked that whole supporting cast that Steve Rogers had during that period (all the other people living in that apartment building). There was some great soft scenes build around those characters. I recall one nice scene in particular, in which Steve, Sam (Falcon) and one of the guys from the building are in a bar downing many beers, and Sam says something that almost blows their identities. And then later, when they're leaving, Steve and Sam successfully stop a bunch of thugs from mugging a guy in an alley, despite being pretty plastered.

Charlie Horse 47 said...

Fun subject!

Anyhow, Marvel Team Up #1. At the end Spidey, Torch, Sand Man, Sand Man's mother, at her house at Christmas, to allow Sand Man to wish her a Merry Christmas before he goes back to the clink. Sandy is grateful. Then he goes to the bathroom (?) and when he does not return timely, we see "nothing but a few grains of sand down the drain."

Also, in an early Luke Cage, maybe around issue 4 (?). Luke is with his girl friend, I think they are kissing, (by a "no parking" sign?) and the cop tells them to move along reminiscing that back in the day he would have said this is a "no sparking" zone.

This topic is interesting to me, b/c when I came back to comics in the early 1990s (Death of Superman) I specifically recall how much I appreciated that non-superhero moments were now frequent in Superman's stories.

Good Day!

Martinex1 said...

Thanks all. I too liked the Wondy and Beast escapades.

And Edo I 100% agree on Bernie Rosenthal and Cap. That may be worth a post someday. Everybody seems to think Sharon Carter is Cap's match but I liked Bernie much better. I'd even put Diamondback in second above Sharon. I too liked his time as a freelance artist living in the apartment house. I think at heart, C.A. is a normal Everyman and it fit that he would be attracted to a woman-next-door like Bernie. In his second movie I think they made Sharon a bit like Bernie in that she was the neighbor, doing her laundry, being nice ... even though she was secretly undercover.

I admittedly am not the DC expert but I just don't recall the same type of private lives for the DC heroes. Definitely the Teen Titans book was created more in the Marvel vein and relied on character driven subplots. And I think Blue Beetle and Booster Gold had moments. And actually I guess Superman, Lois and Jimmy had some private time. But it wasn't as normal or ordinary as depicted in Spider-Man, Cap, and the Avengers but that may just be my bias.

I think we once talked about the Thing relaxing and reading Salem's Lot. Or Nick Fury going to a Country Joe and the Fish concert. Or Patsy Walker taking Valkyrie shopping. Whole issues were sometimes titled "Interlude" with the characters just relaxing and interacting. It made me care for the characters more (I think). It wasn't necessarily a conscious reaction but I think I related to them more easily.

Martinex1 said...

CH47 - just realized we crossed paths here. I find your Superman comment interesting. I read those stories and I may need to review those. The subplots didn't stick with me but not sure why.

Charlie Horse 47 said...

Hi Marti, I haven't gone back and re-read those DCs since the first time in the early 90s. It was my impression. O/wise DC had been fairly blaise to me through the 60s and 70s but for when Adams and Aparo drew various titles but that didn't create more personal moments between characters.

Humanbelly said...

Ohhhh, friends. . .

How does anyone not choose that achingly lovely three pages from Amazing Spider-Man #143-- the trip to the airport in the snow. . . the deceptively simple dialog. . . Pete & MJ's first kiss. . . the departure and small heartbreak of the imminent goodbye. Robbie's wry, wise- yet silent- presence. It completely choked me up as a young teenager, and I couldn't even figure out why. It still chokes me up now.

I love it. It's one of my favorite scenes in comics.

At the other end of the Soft spectrum (and I've cited this one a couple of times over the years), is the brief sequence where the Hulk's rage comes to an end as he realizes that, yes, Jarella is indeed dead. . . and Valkyrie comforts him as he is overcome by true grief. I don't know if it could have been handled any better if it had been done on film. It's written and visually framed with exactly the right economy-- so that the reader's own ability to fill the in-betweens actually adds to the emotional impact. Another one of my favorite (albeit bittersweet and awfully hard to accept) scenes in comics.

HB

Humanbelly said...

Ah-- above Hulk scene being in HULK #207-- didn't compose too carefully. Heh.

HB

Redartz said...

HB- thanks for identifying that Hulk issue, I was going to ask. Need to pick that up. And you nailed a good one with ASM 143. Seems like Spidey had more than his share of these memorable scenes...

Anonymous said...

First panel that comes to mind is Power Man/Iron Fist #65.

Luke Cage is buying a stack of t-shirts to replace all his ripped ones.

In the panel where he's leaving the counter, a man, his face hidden but wearing purple pants, steps up to the counter and is greeted by the clerk: "Ah, Dr. Banner, we have your pants right here."

Noting like an inside joke in a shared universe!

-david p.

Humanbelly said...

David p-- I. . . I may have to buy that issue for that panel alone. . . ! Oh gosh, I do love that--

HB

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