Friday, October 6, 2017
Chew the Fat: Rediscovering Old Stories...
Redartz: Greetings, friends, neighbors and fellow travelers on this ever-spinning planet called Earth! If you'll forgive me a brief digression before we undertake today's topic...
It's been a tough year for many folks; and I mean most everyone globally. So much difficulty, strife, and pain. Too much. So, I just wanted to reach out to all of you and let you know how much I (and Marti as well) appreciate your patronage, your comments, your presence, your friendship. This community , of which each of you (those who comment, and those who join us 'silently') is a crucial part, makes it a little easier to face each day. Regardless of the daily news or the turmoils found on social media, you all can be counted on for a refreshing round of pleasant conversation. I thank you, and wish you all peace. Okay, digression over. To our topic...
Some things are just as good, or even better, the 'second time around'. I have a friend who swears that pizza is better the second day, after reheating. I don't know about that, but I've found numerous comic stories that really impressed me upon rereading them, years after the original perusal. Stories that were certainly enjoyable. But going back to them with the eyes of someone several decades older, I find them even richer, more meaningful than I'd have expected.
You want a few examples? You got them...
Spectacular Spider-Man 69- a story featuring the return of Cloak and Dagger, five issues after their debut. I had this book when it first came out, and the title at the time was among my favorites. But all those issues ended up being sold years ago, and only recently have I picked up a few. I was struck (again) by the cover, and so grabbed this issue at my local lcs. I know the book impressed me before, but it was even better than I'd recalled. The art, by Ed Hannigan and Al Milgrom, was very dramatic, and quite effective. And Bill Manto showed the same writing chops he displayed in Micronauts. He convincingly gave voice to everyone from the young Cloak and Dagger to veteran Spidey foe Wilson Fisk. I really enjoyed the book, and based upon it am looking for a collected edition.
Fantastic Four 233- the second issue of Byrne's famous run on the title. Over the last couple years I've been picking up those Byrne issues, usually from dollar boxes (amazing to get such quality so cheaply). And, correspondingly, I've been going back to read them, here and there, for the first time since the 80's. And it is a constant reminder of just why this run of comics is so highly regarded. This issue isn't a major villain appearance, no great event in the FF's life. But it was a fine story, giving some past history of the Torch. Byrne shows, even this early in his stint, that he has a solid handle on the characters of the book. And artistically? Byrne at his best. Again, the book was good the first time I came across it. But seeing it afresh now? I can't believe how good the art is.
Defenders 17, 18 and 19- with Luke Cage and the Wrecking Crew. This is another story I've not read in over forty years. Having picked up the Essential Defenders, I'm going back to those stories and again being struck by their quality. A good story arc, solid art (especially like Sal Buscema with Klaus Janson's inks), and typically engaging Marvel characterization. And I find these books read better as a group, an advantage to having the collected edition. When I last read these three issues, there was a month-long gap between each part. It may be an obvious point, but being able to get through the whole tale in one non-stop sitting makes a big difference.
Those are just three cases of comics surprising me anew. After all these years, they still have new appeal. Perhaps it's just the extra years behind me, but I am liking them better than ever. Any thoughts, group?
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Agreed totally on those early Defenders issues.., once Sal Buscema and Gerber (or Wein) got on the magazine after some of those shaky first few issues, the idea solidified very quickly and enjoyable. My fav Defenders time is from the first couple of issues when Val and Hawkeye join, through the Avengers clash, to the end of the Guardians issues (late 20s..).
Others include the brief Barry Smith Avengers period (around the first Vish issues with the Ultron attack..), the first thirty-some issues of DC's NTT, and early MTU issues.
Throw in some classic Silver Age Lee/Kirby FF from issue 48-66 and you've got the makings of a wonderful day off in your favorite easy chair.
I love going back and re-reading a lot of my favorite comics from the past. Every few years I'll re-read a bunch of old Spider-Man stories from both the Stern/Romita Jr. and DeFalco/Frenz eras. (Some of my favorite comics of all time). That was the best 5 or 6 years in Spidey's history, IMO. Those stories always hold up and never get old to me.
I also recently re-read most of John Byrne's FF run. I sold my originals back in the early 90's, but I have the entire run reprinted in TPB form. Like you said, it's even more enjoyable to read multi-part stories in one sitting instead of waiting a month between issues. What's even better is that, a few years back, my LCS had most of those TPBs in the 50% off bin. So I got them for a song. Makes the reading all the sweeter.
I've probably re-read all of Frank Miller's Daredevil run at least 3 or 4 times as well. I had the same situation with those books as I did with Byrne's FF. I sold off my originals in the great comic purge of '92, but have since reacquired them all in collected editions. And as with the FF books, I found them all in my LCS's 50% off bin a few years back. Can't beat awesome classic comic stories for 1/2 price!!
It's funny that you highlight those Defenders issues. That's one of my favorite stories as well. (Love me some Wrecking Crew). I actually bought all three of those comics on eBay a few years ago, and I got a great deal on them. I haven't read them in a while. I may have to fish them out and give them another go.
Other stuff I've read multiple times include the Claremont/Byrne runs on X-Men, Iron Fist, and Marvel Team-Up. I've also read several classic Avengers tales more than once such as "Bride of Ultron", and "Avengers vs. Super Count Nefaria", as well as the David Michelinie and John Byrne Avengers books. And I'm currently re-reading the old Wolfman/Perez New Teen Titans, and also Batman and the Outsiders (that I picked up in a hardcover collection).
I like going back to a lot of one-and-dones rather than whole arcs generally. I'm thinking of the Sal Buscema run on Hulk around 255 or so. Mantlo could do more with characters in a single issue than a lot of current writers could do in 40 (or more!). It's a difficult thing to accomplish, and yet it was pretty common back then. I thought it was fantastic to see characters like the High Evolutionary appear for just one issue in a great story and be able to look forward to being just as surprised the next month.
Yep, I've found that most of, say, the Claremont/Byrne X-men stories I loved as a kid still hold up quite well. Same goes for Byrne's run on FF.
An individual issue that I found just as good when I read it as an adult is the Batman and Catwoman story in Brave and the Bold #197. But then pretty much any comic written by Alan Brennert is excellent.
The same is true for a number of those issues I covered 100-word reviews over the BAB, like Marvel Team-up #79 (fun story), Marvel 2-in-1 #51, JLA #200, Showcase #100, etc. Tons of fun the first time around, and still entertaining reads even now. I'd also add that great 4-part Black Widow story in Marvel Team-up #s 82-85, which didn't disappoint when I re-read it as an adult.
By the way, Redartz, I don't if you like listening to comics podcasts, but if so, one called Titan Up the Defense (which alternates between reviews of and commentary on individual issues of the New Teen Titans and the Defenders each week), is making it's way through those very issues of the Defenders vs. the Wrecking Crew - they'll be doing issue #19 next week. It's a really entertaining take on comics reviews.
This does go part and parcel with my scanning. It's hard to scan my old issue, and do my edits, without finding myself reading them. In some instances, I am reading them for the first time. Just recently did Werewolf By Night 42. Iron Man is the guest star. Turns our Jack Russell gains the ability to talk while he's the werewolf!!! I know! Right?
Also, as mentioned on a previous post, the rereading of Hawkeye Limited Series. And so of my old Avengers and the Byrne run on Fantastic Four. Just a note of self aggrandizement, I'm posting many of my comics. Just click on my name and they should be there. I'm hoping to post as many as I can... It's slow going but I'm having fun!!! (As "!" fun but fun nonetheless).
(Laying in the after glow,
I only want to learn what you know,
But now you're leaving...
How many hearts must you break?
How many calls must I make?
But now you're leaving...
In this world, all that I choose has come unbearable
But love is in your touch
Ooh, it's killing me so much
Only when you leave
I need to love you
And when the action has all gone
I'm just a little fool enough to need you
Fool enough too long
Only when you leave, you'll leave in danger
Oh, I'll make sure that you pay
So give a little passion to a stranger
And take this soul away
I only want to make this things last,
So how could this have gone so fast?
And now you're leaving...
How many times must I learn?
It' s only when you've gone that I burn,
And now you're leaving...
In the end, all that I left has come unbearable
It's hard to change your mind,
So leave it all behind
Only when you leave
I need to love you
And when the action has all gone
I'm just a little fool enough to need you
Fool enough too long
Only when you leave, you'll leave in danger
Oh, I'll make sure that you pay
So give a little passion to a stranger
And take this soul away).
PS: Man, have I been lax in my PSing...
A couple of years ago I re-read the Sons of the Serpent arc in the Kooky Quartet era of the Avengers and enjoyed it a lot. I also very recently took another tour of the Celestial Madonna trade. It still doesn't end as well as it should have, but the run up to G-S Avengers #4 was pretty darned good. And having read Avengers Forever a few times over the years only (for me, at least) enriches Celestial Madonna.
I also recently re-read FF #s 44-51; that is a rich run. Inhumans, Galactus/Surfer, and "This Man, This Monster". Wonderful stuff.
Not a re-read, but certainly a plug for a wonderful run: I have been reading from the DC Comics Classics Library hardcover Roots of the Swamp Thing by Len Wein and Bernie Wrightson, and can only say "WOW!" Why had I never read it before? I've had the book for a few years... So if you're looking for a Halloween-flavored reading, I'd strongly recommend Swamp Thing 1-13, included in that collection.
For those of you about to enjoy a long weekend, well... enjoy!
Doug
I've been rereading a lot of comics in recent years, and am mostly delighted at how well most of them hold up. At the very least, they give warm, nostalgic feelings, I'm rarely disappointed by them.
But as for some that actually surprise me, the only ones that pop to mind are certain Daredevil issues from the Denny O'Neil run. That came on the heels of Frank Miller and was kind of in its shadow, but I loved it when I first collected it. Still, there were definitely some quiet issues that I thought were okay as a kid, but that resonated more when I read them recently.
Spefically, DD #192, a fill-in between the runs written by Alan Burnett, that's a very quiet Ben Urich story that nonetheless is quite moving. Probably one of the best Urich stories around, and a very realistic portrayal of a struggling-but-happy married couple.
And Denny's first ish, #194, which is also a strange tale about two old brothers. Hard to explain, but very moody and smart, worth a look.
Klaus Janson draws both stories, and he's another one that didn't dazzle me as a kid, but I appreciate him in these issues a lot more now.
-david p.
This is partly what my blog is about, re-reading comics from my younger years along with some classic (or not so classic) issues I missed the first time around.
For me, early New Teen Titans is something I'll never get tired of re-reading. Also classic Legion, lots of Spider-Man stories, and All-Star Squadron; they all hold up to multiple readings.
It is like we have been hanging around together since back in the 70s and 80s. Nearly all of the books mentioned are things I go back to ... from The Nefaria three-parter to the Byrne X-Men and FF to the New Teen Titans, Defenders and old Avengers' tales.
I will throw in that I like to go back to Project Pegasus in Marvel Two-In-One; I realize I go back to that rather regularly - particularly the Deathlok and Thundra issues.
For the opposite, I'm actually surprised that I don't think I have gone back to the Miller Daredevil books. I loved those issues when they came out but I'm fairly certain that I have not reread them.
OK... don't laugh...
I have re-read DC's Secret Origins # 1 3 - 4 times the past two years. I know it is simply reprints of Superman, Batman, Hawkman v. Ghost, Flash. But it is the "ground zero" of the super-hero comic books we enjoy today!
Also, what is weird (?) is that I do not have an interest in re-reading Marvel's Cap America's origin from 1940, nor the Torch's.
So there you have it: CH47 rereading a sole DC (not Marvel) and it is a book of Golden Age Reprints, not the originals. (But who could afford those originals?)
I plan to copy/paste what you guys wrote above and put on my list of Marvel stories to read!
Ok, so I regularly re-read about 89.98% of Byrnes stuff on an annual basis. So lets get that out of the way.
I recently re acquired a bunch of Invaders comics, hadn't read any of those in 40 years. Enjoyed them all over again, especially the Master Man, Warrior Woman story lines.
Thanks for all the fine reading prompts, folks! Interesting how many times certain stories pop up in different comments. Byrne X-Men and FF, Defenders, Avengers, New Teen Titans. Perhaps you could call these the 'comfort food' of comics...
William- you're right, there's no convenience like having all those stories together in a single volume. And you definitely have the right financial approach- can't beat those discounts.
Selenarch- good point about the 'done in one's. There is an added benefit- if you're time is limited, it takes far less time to read one or two such books as opposed to getting through, say, the Avengers/Defenders clash.
Edo- many thanks for the tip on that podcast. I will definitely check it out. Love the name...
Doug- you reminded me, I really need to find that Avengers Forever. Bound to be a collected edition reasonable on ebay. Another item for the watch list...
Prowl- wow, very nice work on your scanning! Even all the ads! You have me beat; all I'm scanning are story pages, house ads and letter cols. Very cool; and thanks!
I'm 65 years old and the first "superhero" comic I ever read was Showcaee 20 featuring the debut of Rip Hunter Time Master (the dinosaur on the cover was the clincher). I no longer buy comics (though I still have a lot of them) and most of my rereading is of reprint editions of Silver Age classics. Favorites include Kirby FF, Ditko Spidey, Adam Strange, Green Lantern, Hawkman, Atom, and Challengers of the Unknown, and I'm currently rereading the Showcase Superman Family reprints. "The Giant Turtle Boy" Jimmy Olsen story is for me the essence of Silver Age wackiness - the casual absurdity makes me laugh out loud every time I read it.
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