Redartz: I've been looking forward to reading this story; any opportunity to enjoy John Byrne at his creative best is one to be relished! Alpha Flight was one of the last titles I started collecting before dropping out of comics; I only bought the first dozen and sold them after a single reading. So rediscovering the book was anticipated. And I wasn't disappointed. This tale was jam-packed - packed with story and packed with great visuals.
Martinex1: I agree it was fun to jump back into Alpha Flight. I definitely had forgotten more than I remembered, so the rediscovery was much like reading it for the first time. We will get into the details, but it is definitely a Bronze Age gem that sometimes is overlooked.
Redartz: To start, here is the (approximately) 200 word synopsis (100 words for each issue, natch!). Which, I might add, is a bit challenging, as there is so much going on in these issues. Anyway, the gist of it all:
Issue 15: Puck and Marrina have arrived at Lake Ontario to investigate a series of gruesome killings. Putting her aquatic talents to use, Marrina enters the lake. Puck, worriedly waiting above, is shocked when Marrina eventually returns, but in a beastly rage. They battle, but said fight is interrupted by the Sub-Mariner (seeking Marrina, for whom he is carrying a torch). Namor initially attacks Puck, believing him a threat to Marrina. However, she attacks Namor, blinding him, and he falls at the touch of another new arrival: the Master. Additionally, there are subplots ongoing involving Snowbird, Aurora, Shaman and his daughter.
Issue 16: Namor and Puck awaken, trapped within the Master's 'fish sub'. The Master explains how he captured Marrina to join her with (surprise) another member of her race, which happens to be a genetic monstrosity bred to destroy and conquer. Puck feigns his own death, allowing him to escape the tube and free Namor. They then free Marrina (who had been busily occupied doing questionable things with the monster). Unfortunately the monster wrecks the sub, which sinks. Puck can't breathe water, so Namor expels Marrina and rushes Puck to the surface as the sub explodes. No sign remains of the Master, and Namor leaves without her (she is hiding undercover). Plus, subplots with Bochs, Heather Hudson, and Logan.
Martinex1: The story that culminated in these issues actually started in the previous issue with many citizens gone missing and Heather and Puck themselves jumping in when a baby is snatched from a stroller by a slimy-tentacled but mostly unseen sea creature. Issue 14 had a lot of set-up and drama, and I found it fascinating how many pages were spent with characters discussing deeper aspects of their lives, the team, and the politics. It culminated with Heather Hudson being injured by the creature and leading to Puck taking an offensive stance at the beginning of #15.
Redartz: Thanks, Marti! That explains a few things. And now, a few initial impressions: Loved the covers, especially the one for issue 15. Something about orange backgrounds that appeals to me. Don't ask why...
Martinex1: I agree. Byrne had complete control over the design with Alpha Flight and I thought he did a nice job capturing the main event in each comic. Here is a sample of a cover for #16 that he did not use.
Redartz: Wonder why they didn't go with that cover? Looks mighty impactful (is that a word?) to me. And the story: wow! That's a lot of dialogue, text, and story content. Quite a 'meaty' read, and Byrne really gives you your 60 cents worth. Another thing that struck me: for a superhero comic, a great deal of the drama takes place with no characters in costume; these subplots primarily fill the gaps in the action. Which is fine; it helps develop the characters as individuals apart from their public identities. You saw some of that in X-Men stories, but I'd say Byrne took it further here with the Alphas.
Martinex1: That seemed to be a very conscious approach to Alpha Flight. In the early issues, it did not seem like a typical team book at all with just one or two characters spotlighted in each issue. There were numerous winding subplots with just hints of what was to come many issues down the road. The stories mingled and weaved into a much larger plot that would eventually include the whole team, but much of the interest was in what developed outside of the costumes and battles.
Redartz: Great observation, Marti. I've noticed those threads twining through several other issues I've read as well. And regarding this tale, the main storyline is a good solid superhero battle. You cannot go wrong with the Sub-Mariner, and Byrne handles him well. Namor's characterization was spot on; impetuously attacking Puck (punch first, ask questions later). Yet his nobility was also in evidence, as he quickly came to respect the man.
Martinex1: As you know, Namor is one of my favorite characters mainly because he is not perfect. He is pompous and headstrong but also caring and determined. Much of his mood in my opinion is based on tragedy and loss, and here with Marrina he is yet again undergoing a traumatic event with somebody he loves. I think Byrne understands that motivation.
Redartz: I found the Master to be a fairly effective villain; his exploitation of Marrina was positively creepy. It did seem, though, that he was easily fooled by Puck's charade in escaping the tube. Perhaps he failed to read chapter three in the Villain's Manual, "Playing Possum".
Martinex1: Ha! Yes that is a good point. The Master was essentially created for Alpha Flight and I think he could have been interesting. I am not sure if Byrne wanted the Master to be their Dr. Doom, but he did a lot to develop the villain's long history and origin of pain and torture. Essentially he was evolved from a caveman through cruel centuries-long experimentation and physical manipulation by aliens. I thought his hideous appearance behind the mask may have been a bit cliché, but I still was interested in his weird evolutionary origin.
Redartz: It was heartbreaking to see all that Marrina went through in these issues. and the ending didn't make me feel any better. Byrne does create some sympathetic heroes in this title; I really liked Puck, and Marrina, and the others from what little they appeared here. Indeed, the subplots reinforced the need to read the whole series. There's a fairly large cast here.
Martinex1: Yes there is. We barely touch on Shaman and his daughter Talisman, Snowbird, Heather Hudson, and Bochs this issue and there is much to dive into. This was around the point in time that I really started liking Puck's character. He displayed significant leadership skills here, strategizing while also remaining significantly sympathetic toward Marrina. He filled many roles from confidante to rescuer, and he was interesting throughout. And I agree that the subplots drew me further into the mythos. I ended up very curious as to what was going on with Snowbird, Shaman, and the rest.
Redartz: Turning to the art: Wonderful. Byrne is Byrne, at his best. And Bob Wiacek does a fine job with the inks. I love the splash page in issue 15, "Blind Date". Byrne does cityscapes exceptionally well. And the scene (shown above) where Marrina dives into the lake and descends over the course of four pages is beautifully done. The monochrome aspect really got the claustrophobic, watery impression across (kudos also to Andy Yanchus' fine coloring). The scenes later inside the Master's sub were also nicely depicted. Plenty (but not too much) of detail, and solid composition. Incidentally, I did think the sub looked a little goofy. A fish sub, really? Oh, and one other comment on the visuals: Marinna's costume was very cool, but one wonders if those sleeves would get tangled easily...
Martinex1: Wiacek did a nice job. I think Byrne is always better when he does not ink his own pencils, and I think Wiacek was solid on these pages adding some nice texture. I was so torn on the fish submarine; at first I thought it was ridiculous, but I really do appreciate the nostalgic feel and that something so crazy can only happen in comics. I was going to have it in both my "good" and "ugly."
Redartz: The Good: John Byrne's artwork. These issues are loaded with eye candy. It reminds me why JB is my favorite Bronze Age artist. In particular, the 'Marrina diving sequence'. I just keep going back to that. Superb.
Martinex1: I agree on the artwork; Byrne has sometimes been criticized for a lack of detail or backgrounds, but look at the panels we have shared. This book is crammed with great detailed art. I would also add to the "good" the spaghetti trail of subplots. The books had so much depth (pun intended). Plus the Sub-Mariner and a fish sub. Ha.
Redartz: The Bad: I'm at a loss here. Only one very minor complaint, that it would have been nice to see more of the others. Yet considering the story, that's not even an issue.
Martinex1: I have to go with the Master. Above I said he had potential, but at the very end he was reduced to predictability and despite the fact that he built a fish sub and devised this intricate alien-mating-evolutionary plot, he was defeated rather easily.
Redartz: The Ugly: The monster in the sub. That image where the creature has absorbed a baby and 'grown' a baby's face is chillingly awful.
Martinex1: That was horrific and knowing it was that missing baby from the previous issue made it truly disturbing. I actually did not like that aspect at all. Also, in retrospect I did not really enjoy what was done to Marrina as a character. The combination of victimization and villainizing the heroine seemed a little off. I would have liked to see her defeat the Master. Perhaps I am quibbling and perhaps it is good that the book made me consider that, but it left a strange residual feeling.
Martinex1: It may seem from my final comments - the "ugly" - that I did not like this book, but it is quite the opposite. I found it quite compelling reading and I think John Byrne was writing well at the time. The approach was not like anything else Marvel was churning out at the time, and despite Alpha Flight not having a lasting impact on the Marvel Universe, this was a very good run. Cheers all!
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Nice writeup! I bought the 50 or so issues of Alpha Flight, thanks for reminding me how great Byrne's art was back then. I had mixed feelings about the series. I liked Puck and Sasquatch and it was nice that Byrne gave Heather more depth than most girlfriends/wives of superheroes. But I never cared much for the Master, just seemed like a generic would-be-world-conquerer villain to me.
Nice review. I loved me some John Byrne Alpha Flight back in the day. One of my favorite titles at the time. I thought it was a pretty original take on the whole super team formula. Too bad Byrne didn't really like doing the book too much himself.
I read some comments of his on his website "Byrne Robotics" that he was pretty much strong-armed by his bosses at Marvel into taking on the project. He said he didn't have much interest in the characters, as they were originally just created to be one-off adversaries for the X-Men. But he eventually (and reluctantly) agreed to do it. But after just a couple years, he jumped ship and switched books with the creative team on The Hulk at the time (which I believe were Bill Mantlo and Mike Mignola). That was when I dropped the book myself. It just wasn't the same without Byrne. (But I did start reading The Hulk, LOL).
For a project he didn't have that much passion for, I think JB did a great job on Alpha Flight. Which is a real testament to the man's talent and professionalism.
I bought the first 40 issues of Alpha Flight. I only read up to 20. When comics were competing for my dollars, Byrne lost out. I really stopped liking his stuff after the X-men run. I felt his art became stretched and angular, everyone looked like distance runners. I really never enjoyed his writing either. I compare him to Bendis today, he loved to ret-con long standing continuity. I enjoyed Alpha Flight when they were more mysterious, only appearing here and there.
Thanks for the comments guys.
J.A. What I find interesting about the Master, that to me was different than other villains, is that he came from a place of torture and pain. He was a victim of horrible and invasive surgeries and for a long time during that just wanted to die. It was never fully explored to the nth degree but it gave his controlling megalomania a different psychological twist.
William, regarding Byrne's feelings for the characters and book - you are correct. To me what I found interesting is that he basically took blank slate characters and created a wide breadth of individualism in powers and motives He also created a true non-team that was unlike the Defenders in that he really focused on their private lives and individual challenges. They were like workmates who had full and adventurous lives elsewhere. I also liked the Canadian connection and locales. It gave a much different feel to the book.
Luther Manning, while I too think Byrne's art style changed over the years I did not think it got to the redundant level yet on Alpha Flight. Puck, Marrina, Snowbird, Sasquatch, all had different and varied looks. And to me only Guardian and the twins looked traditionally heroic. There was something strange and even twisted about the team. Some of the characters were more misfits than the X-Men themselves. To me many seemed on the verge of going bad or at least going out of control. And I think the emergence of their enemies Omega Flight emphasized that.
And I don't want to spoil a 35 year old book but issue 12 was ground breaking in its own way.
Cheers all.
Nice review! I read through the first 28 issues of Alpha Flight, Byrne's run, a couple years ago and enjoyed it. I liked this series better than when I was a kid and dropped it after about 7 issues. My opinion of Byrne has gone down since I was a kid, but my opinion of this series went up! Nice seeing the unused cover for #16. Looks good to me.
I bought #15 off the rack (and still have it), but I didn't read #16 until years later. I liked the sub-plots with different characters getting some face time; I always thought Elizabeth (Talisman) was cool. She started out as a snotty teenager with a chip on her shoulder, but ended up being a mainstay of the team. And of course, Puck was cool.
This was a great discussion. Thanks for posting it!
I enjoyed AF for a good long while, all through the Byrne years into the Mignola years.
Like Garrett said, my opinion of Byrne has deteriorated over the years as well … first it was due to my perception of Byrne’s declining art, then much later, his “opinions” …
Gents, this is a wonderful review! Never read an AF in my life since I had more/less stopped reading comics around 1975 but "Hey! Add it to the list of things to catch up with!"
Soon as I am done with Byrne's FF and the Avengers - Defenders War which you both recommended and I am alternating between at the moment!
Fun fact: I have sold off two large lots of near complete Byrne runs of Alpha Flight .
I loved Byrne on X-Men and FF, but Aplha Flight lost me rather quickly. I think part of it was not liking how my favorite character, Marina, was treated. I'd reread though, and give it another shot, if I had an opportunity to borrow someone's collection
Thanks for commenting today, folks! It's always enjoyable doing a review when the book is of such quality.
Garrett- You made ithe farther with the book than I did (only up to issue 13). But as you noted, it reads even better now!
RayAtl- you and Garrett both noted a change of opinion regarding Byrne. Others have made similar comments. Perhaps we should do that column about separating the 'art from the artist'. Oh, and how were the Mignola issues?
Charlie- glad to oblige, always good to spread the word about some four color goodness. Many of you have inspired me to give particular books a shot...
Just an aside, a thought really, to one of Monsieur Byrne's plot points.
Marina falls under the control of The Master, twisting her into a evil, bestial version of herself. If we follow the points back to Claremont & Byrne's run on Iron Fist, Colleen Wing falls under the influence of Angar and his mind control scream. Iron Fist, by using the power of the iron fist to mind weld with her, saves her. Most of us are familiar with Claremont & Byrne's Dark Phoenix saga where Jean Grey, the Phoenix, comes under Mastermind's influence, becoming a dark, twisted version of herself. Now on his own, Byrne does the same with Marina, having her fall under The Master's control. Last, but certainly not least, Sue Storm's encounter with Psycho Man turning her into a dark, twisted version of herself as Malice, Mistress of Hate.
To quote Pee Wee Herman: "What does it all mean!?! I don't know!!!"
This scenario happens a few too many times to be coincidence. Not just Byrne alone, he was working with Claremont. And if we read the "post-game analysis" correctly, the Dark Phoenix Saga did not end as they intended.
Is Byrne trying to show women overcoming man's control? The destructive dark side that is the flip side to the "life givers"? We are told that they are "sugar and SPICE". Am I just projecting?
(Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls
She takes just like a woman, yes she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl.
Queen Mary, she's my friend
Yes, I believe I'll go see her again
Nobody has to guess
That Baby can't be blessed
Till she finally sees that she's like all the rest
With her fog, her amphetamine and her pearls
She takes just like a woman, yes she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl.
It's was raining from the first
And I was dying there of thirst
So I came in here
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
Ain't it clear that.
I just can't fit
Yes, I believe it's time for us to quit
When we meet again
Introduced as friends
Please don't let on that you knew me when
I was hungry and it was your world
Ah, you fake just like a woman, yes you do
You make love just like a woman, yes you do
Then you ache just like a woman
But you break just like a little girl).
PS: So, I'm scanning my Justice League Of America Vol 16 No 117 and some yahoo took a blue pen and drew a beard on Superman!!! Every panel, every page...
Prowler don't forget the Scarlet Witch in both Byrne's Avengers and West Coast Avengers runs. Definitely a pattern of some sort.
Byrne's work on West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast was all him. He was working on trying to "undo" some of the things done previously, specifically regarding Wanda and Vision's twins.
I struggled with the Avengers storyline. He was the artist during that run, but the story line was credited as Plot: Mark Gruenwald & Steven Grant, Writer: David Michelinie. With that many cooks, I'm not sure what Byrne was contributing other than his pencils.
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