Thursday, March 29, 2018
Chew the Fat: Right on the Tip of My Mind...
Redartz: Greetings, all! Today we're doing something a little different, and your help is needed. Allow me to explain:
Have you ever tried to remember something that was 'right on the tip of your mind', so to speak? Many of the subjects we discuss here are things we recall both fondly and vividly. Comics, tv, films, music, toys, all manner of esoterica; almost anything we can remember is fair game at BitBA. One nice side effect of our discussions is that it triggers memories that we may have forgotten. Someone's comment might suddenly cause us to remember a long-forgotten book , or a commercial that has languished in our sub-memory for decades. This is my goal for our discussion today.
I have an example for you, one that inspired this post today. I'll share it, and perhaps someone among you might be able to reveal the 'missing pieces' of this memory. And then you can bring up any half-memories that you'd like to complete, and maybe we can all help each other out.
My faded memory is as follows:
Years ago, when I was about 9 (this would have been about 1970), I read many books; especially adventures and mysteries starring kids. You know, Hardy Boys, Encyclopedia Brown, and many other such books of less reknown. Therein lies my difficulty. There was a story that included a specific phrase which has stuck in my mind ever since. I believe the story was about a boy visiting a relative and finding mysteries. The phrase: "...I could see the lights of Connecticut across Long Island Sound".
Allow me to explain a moment. For many of you, that phrase may seem pretty unremarkable. But I was a shy kid, living in the flat farmlands of Indiana, surrounded by pretty ordinary scenery. I had traveled very little, but had visited many places via the books and comics I loved. Among the locales I dreamed of most was the New York area- prompted no doubt by all those Marvels. Even the place names seemed a bit magical to me: Manhattan, Long Island, Connecticut, Yonkers. Although I don't recall anything else about the story, I remember that boy gazing out alone across the night-darkened waters towards faroff lights, and imagining what lie beyond. That boy could have been me. A bit naive, I know. But that mental image really stuck with me, even up to today. That brief passage perfectly evokes my youthful (and still active) longing for new horizons. I still have never been anywhere near New York, but I still hope to. And when I go, I hope also to find an opportunity to take a nighttime excursion to Long Island, and to look for the lights of Connecticut across the Sound.
Sorry for taking so long to get to the point. My question, and I realize this is very very little to go on: does anyone recognize that story or book? I'd love to find out what that line came from. If nothing else, I finally got to pull that phrase from my head and send it out into digital space.
Now, even if you've no clue as to the identity of that book, you have a chance to pin down your borderline memories. Is there a comic you half remember, a book you loved but can't remember the name of? Perhaps there is a song whose lyric you know, but not the title. Again, it's all fair game today. Let's see if we can solve a few mutual mysteries. Thanks for participating, and thanks for your patience as I wax personal today...
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The first thought that leapt into my mind when I read that quote was that it feels like something from the opening paragraphs of The Great Gatsby.
Redartz, unfortunately I don't recognize that quote. I even tried to Google it for you, but yielded no results.
I also can't really think of anything that I've been trying to remember lately. But then again, I may have forgotten what I forgot and was trying to remember. LOL
I will say that if you get a chance to go to NYC you definitely should. I had always wanted go as well, and in 2012 I drove there with my wife to drop off my Spider-Man comic collection at an auction place. And I have to say I had an amazing time. I did so many things I always wanted to do.
The first day we went to a natural history museum, walked in Central Park and rode the subway to Time's Square, and just walked around to a lot of places. I called a friend of mine who works at Marvel Comics and tried to get a tour, but he was too busy that day. Then later we went to the top of the Empire State Building, and then to Rockefeller Center, and to a big comic book store across from the Empire State Building.
The next day we went to the World Trade Center memorial site (which was kind of a surreal experience), then we walked down Wall Street and then through China Town, then took the subway to the Flatiron building (the Daily Bugle in the Rami Spider-Man films), ate some New York Pizza, and then walked down to the Javits Center and attended New York City Comiccon. I even saw Spider-Man swinging overhead once (or it may just have been a bird). It was a fantastic experience, especially for a longtime Marvel Comics fan. So I highly recommend you check that off your bucket list and go.
Nice little half-hidden memory, Redartz but I can't even begin to guess the source of that quote.
And I've been to NYC several times. I love visiting. So much to do. Next time I go, whenever that may be, I'd like to visit the Henry Clay Frick House, which is apparently the inspiration for Avengers Mansion.
Sorry Red! I'm not sure if I should tell a story about NYC or being unable to find something you know!
It's 1970 and I am 10 years old reading the afternoon edition of the Gary Post Tribune. There is an article about Hitler's son who lives in France under surveillance by the French police and how they provided their annual report that there are no problems. Flash forward 40 years to 2010 and I am talking with work colleagues about Hitler's son. They all tell me I'm nuts. Google reveals nothing! I am ashamed and humbled since it was my first-ever mistake! But I know I read it!
2015 I try googling again. Nothing! Charlie knows he ain't nuts! I change the search to "alleged son of Hitler." Jackpot!
My best guess is there is / was some censuring of this sensitive subject?
Thanks guys, your comments and suggestions are much appreciated! I had little expectation of identifying that story from such sparse information, but hoped it might lead to some discussion.
Steve DC - interesting; I've never read Gatsby (did see the film though). I'll have to give it a look.
William- thanks for your efforts and for your story! Parting with your collection was tough , so it's great that at least it allowed you to have those experiences! And I definitely plan to take your advice- that trip is a must.
Dbutler16 - fascinating - I had no idea there was an actual inspiration for Avengers mansion...
Charlie- no worries, many of your comments have introduced me to new areas of exploration...hope we can do the same for you. .
Yeah, I tried a web search too, but couldn't come up with anything either. It doesn't sound like Hardy Boys, Encyclopedia Brown, or Three Investigators ... I'm assuming from the quote that the story was told in first person? I can't really think of any YA books from back then with first person narration.
Maybe you could check out a list of YA lit from 1970 and see if anything rings a bell. Of course, there's no guarantee the book was published in 1970 just because you read it then ... it could be a few years (or a few decades!) older.
I too am striking out. Do you recall if it was a single protagonist or a group? At first I thought maybe the Three Investigatorrs, or the Boxcar Children, or the Mad Scientist Club, but I cannot find anything of the like in terms of a quote. Any image, feel of the book, library, anything that can give us additional clues? Any illustrations come to mind?
It is like our own mystery here!
Mike W. and Marti- many thanks for trying! I wish I could think of more. It may well have been a Scholastic book- I ordered them by the stack. It wasn't a group adventure, it was more of a solo thing; as far as I can remember. Maybe one of these days I'll go pay a visit to my old elementary school (it is still open) and check out the library....
Redartz: You could try here. It's a site where you can ask about book titles that you've forgotten; you probably have to create an account to ask a question, but someone there might be able to help.
Red, check out Mysterynet.com. They have listed all of the novels that were nominated for best juvenile mystery books for the Edgar awards from 1961 through today, it might be a good place to hunt titles in the genre prior to your reading date.
Maybe titles like "The House on Charlton Street" "Forgery" "Mystery of 22 East" or "Ransom" will ring a bell. With 50 or so notable books listed and their authors, maybe something will dredge up a memory.
The article title is "Best Juvenile Kids Mystery Book Edgar Award Winners and Nominees -Complete Lists" at MysteryNet.com
I have no suggestions on Red's mystery, but I have one of my own.
There was a short-lived Saturday morning mostly live action show in the 80s that featured a cartoonist and/or animation studio. There were three adult leads, a man and woman maybe in their 20s or early 30s, and an older guy. Each episode they'd have little cartoon shorts that they imagined animated. One of the recurring shorts was a school bus (no it is not "The Magic School Bus") and in the one I can remember the bus drove over the water to visit Puerto Rico and they sang a song about coqui frogs. They also introduced the audience to books and they had an animated intro to A Wrinkle in Time which is how I found out about the book and subsequently tried to read, but did not like at all and never finished.
That's all I got, but I would really like to remember the name of the show if nothing else.
Dr. O: Was it CBS Storybreak, by any chance? That's the only thing I could find that resembles what you described. There are episodes on Youtube, although I didn't see any about A Wrinkle in Time.
(By the way, did you ever finish that book? I just rad it a little while ago--I thought I might as well, with the movie being out--and it was OK, but I have little desire to read the sequels.)
I never finished it despite trying a few times as a kid. I went looking for my copy when the movie was about to come out, but I guess I got rid of it in a moving purge after carrying it around for 30 years.
Anyway, that is not it. It was not an anthology show, but had plots around the live-action characters and various visitors (like Mr. Rogers). Thanks for trying! I think it was on NBC.
Can't help with any of the mysteries here, either.
Charlie, the stories about Hitler's alleged children - like that guy in France - are all mostly bunkum as far as I know, but Hitler did have a nephew, William Patrick Hitler, the son of his older half-brother (Alois Jr.) who was born in England, actually spent some time in Germany in the 1930s, but eventually ended up in the US in around 1939 or 1940. He even served in US Navy in WW2. He changed his last name after leaving the Navy, got married, had a few kids and, I think, lived a more or less normal life. He died in the late 1980s.
RE: A Wrinkle in Time - my older sister turned me on to that when I was in grade school. I loved it at the time and read all of the sequels as well, and a few other books by L'Engle. But I haven't read any of those books since; I suspect I'd have a different reaction to them as an adult. That said, I'm still interested in seeing the movie...
Hi Edo - Well, to a 10-year old in 1970, it was quite a story. And I have to assume that France found it sufficiently important to surveil the "son of Hitler." (That could make for a movie, no?)
But I was more fascinated that 40 years later the story was ungoogleable. I've had that happen a few times in my life. And then 45 years later I find it by including the word "alleged."
For instance, when I was in the army in Germany from 85 - 89, there was a monthly magazine available at all the bases on things to see and do in Europe. I read and kept one magazine about a brewery in Belgium that had a special brew that used pigeon droppings in the process (b/c the pigeons mated once a year in a barn and the droppings fell on the hops or whatever?) b/c I was going up to Belgium and thought to take a look. I never visited but try googling and finding a reference to that 35 years later? I can't.
Admittedly, someone would have to load that info "onto the internet" someway directly (e.g., writing a column about pigeon poop in a Belgium beer) or indirectly (e.g., the magazines having been uploaded) and thus I find the article.
The point being that, like Red, sometimes these ungooglable things just drive you nutz!!!
Mike W. and Marti- hey, thanks for the searchable recommendations. I'll check out them both...
Dr.O- wish I could help you with your search; I was mostly out of Saturday mornings by then. Pretty cool that they introduced "A Wrinkle in Time" for the Saturday morning crowd...
Like Martinex, I was thinking it might be a Mad Scientist club story - unlike Martinex, I couldn't remember their name! In fact, all I can really recall of them was some exclamation like "Sockamagee!" and that one story. The anthology book cover had a drawing illustrating that story had them building and flying a hot air balloon, which might tie in with at quote...
PS "Skinnamaroo!" I think was it.
Your description of a boy returning home to find a family mystery reminds me of the wonderful Scholastic book "Mystery of the Witch's Bridge." (late 60s/very early 70s) But that book's setting seemed more New England than New York as I recall.
I haven't read it for years, but it was a special book to me, once upon a time.
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