Showing posts with label Valkyrie. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Valkyrie. Show all posts

Thursday, October 12, 2017

Panel Discussion: Defending the Defenders!

Martinex1: The dynamic Defenders - they always presented themselves as the "Non-Team," a loose band of costumed adventurers, a magician, Norse warrior, Atlantean prince and gamma irradiated creature.  But they were more than a non-team; they were family. They weren’t genetically (or cosmically) tied together like the Fantastic Four, but these angry oddballs cared about one another and lived in unison with one another.   And in doing so they became a major part of Marvel's Bronze Age.

Making their way into the Marvel scene in late 1971 in Marvel Feature and following up in 1972 with their eponymous comic, the Defenders had my interest from the first time I saw them on the spinner rack.  I constantly searched for back issues that tended to be at very reasonable prices.  The individual characters may not have been my main collecting targets, but together they were something else entirely.




Despite the mystique of a team without ties, the Defenders bound together fairly well and I contend the core of the team weathered roster changes better and less frequently than the Avengers. And from the overall perspective of heroes in the Marvel world, they must have been a powerhouse team.  Hulk, Namor, Valkyrie, Dr. Strange, Nighthawk and Hellcat were no slouches.   Individually, the top three characters could mop up the floor with the majority of the Marvel villains.  Let’s face it, the Hulk, Sub-Mariner and Doc could hold their own against the Avengers’ big three Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor.
  
But the book itself seemingly absorbed the feel of the team it represented.  Were they second tier, mismatched semi-stars?  Was the monthly good but not great?  It was never a top seller.  Despite interesting stories and even top notch art, it became a bit of a "non-book" and although it has had a few short resurgences it hasn’t been resurrected successfully like countless other properties.  The comic itself came to represent to me the outsiders, the misfits, and the heroic underdogs.


Even the recent Netflix television show starred entirely different heroes (although it can be argued that at least Luke Cage and Daredevil guest-starred in some Defenders’ arcs).  What is it about this team?  They are so fascinating but also so often relegated to being “also-rans.” 
 Did the caliber of their villainous enemies lower their status?  They didn’t regularly battle the likes of Dr. Doom, Galactus, Kang, or Ultron.   The Defenders were more likely to lock horns with Scorpio, the Wrecking Crew, the Presence, and the Headmen.   Or Yandroth, the Six-Fingered Hand and the Mandrill.   And amidst those offbeat tales, the writers added guest characters like Dollar Bill and the Elf with a Gun.   Even when Dormammu and Loki showed up, it seemed like an odd pairing - enjoyable and entertaining but odd nonetheless.






But that is what gave The Defenders its unique feel and what pulled me in.   These weren’t Earth’s Mightiest Heroes (though I guess that is debatable); they were the World’s Wary Warriors.   How would you describe them?   I pick up on their slight cynicism, their outsider status, and their weirdo tendencies.  How many issues can go by without an angry outburst, somebody quitting the team, a character getting pulled back in out of obligation, friendship, camaraderie, and familial humor?    Where else would Hellcat (a romantic teen character turned heroic acrobat) or Nighthawk (billionaire villain turned heart-and-soul sponsor) fit in? 


Along the way Steve Englehart, Len Wein, Ed Hannigan, David Anthony Kraft, J.M. DeMatteis, and of course Steve Gerber and others led the way with the outlandish stories and quirky situations.   Although the book had a variety of artists, Sal Buscema may be most closely associated with the team as he shepherded the Defenders through the early years.  Don Perlin also handled a long run on the series. 

My favorite tales involved the Badoon, the Squadron Supreme, and the Headmen.   Those all seemed like fitting adversaries for the Defenders.  The arc in which the Guardians of the Galaxy shared the stage and female and male Badoon confronted each other is a classic in my eyes; it is amongst my most cherished and collected arcs.   The Headmen arc is just so strange and hilarious that it too is a classic.



When our peers talk about the Defenders, it seems like most really appreciate the series.   But the team is rarely mentioned in the same breath as the Avengers, X-Men, JLA,  Teen Titans or Fantastic Four.   Why is that?  

The series is full of drama and tragedy and pathos; it explores many philosophical themes but it rarely is considered as emotionally complex as the X-Men in their heyday? Why is that?

When comic collectors talk about female characters, Valkyrie seems to rise to the top in terms of admiration but she still never gets the spotlight like She-Hulk, Storm, Rogue, or others.  Why is that?  

When character design is mentioned, Nighthawk gets accolades for his "new" costume; and despite decades of character development he never reached recognizable status like other Marvel icons.   Why is that?

They may have had loose origins as the Titans Three guest starring in the Sub-Mariner, but ended up with some other interesting characters all their own.  Do you like the headlining characters like Dr. Strange and the Hulk or do you prefer Hellcat, Nighthawk, Red Guardian, Gargoyle, and the rest?  Why is that?


Personally I was less interested in the revamped team toward the end of the run.  I saw it as an outlet to capitalize on unused X-Men characters, and despite liking the Beast, Angel, and Moondragon, the new bunch did not have the same charisma in my eyes.  But in the 1990s when it was hinted at in Namor and The Incredible Hulk books that there was going to be a reunion of the originals, I was all on board.  Just the thought of the band getting back together had me eager even with the recent character developments for those core heroes.


I have to admit that I abhorred The Secret Defenders; it had a 1990's era vibe of weak stories with a constantly changing cast including the latest hot character.  On the other hand, I much appreciated the short-lived Kurt Busiek and Erik Larson version of the team.  Although it did not seem as weighty as the original, it had a vibrant sense of humor that I enjoyed.  It was true to its roots while being modern.



What is it about the Defenders that keeps them down?  Or am I looking at it from the wrong perspective?   I definitely have a nostalgic feel for this team but what do you think?   Defend the Defenders today! What were your favorite arcs?  Who were your favorite writers and artists?   Did you think the book pushed boundaries too far?   Is it a classic title or not?   What went right and what went wrong? 

We’d like to hear from you today so please comment if you have anything to say in support of the defense.

Sunday, October 1, 2017

Sunday Rerun: Limited Funds; Unlimited Fun!

Martinex1: Hello all and welcome to October.  Redartz and I have so much goodness in store for you this Autumn.   We plan to keep you entertained this month with musings about Batman's cases, Halloween faces, and Saturday morning races.  So stay tuned in.

Please feel free to contact us at backinthebronzeage@gmail.com if you have any suggestions or would like to contribute a guest post.  Believe me, we would love to have some guest writers share their reviews or columns here.

Today, let's kick off the month with a quick Sunday rerun from the wondrous Bronze Age Babies blog and July 9th, 2015.  This was one of my earliest examples of the game that appears in our regular feature The Quarter Bin.   The focus is on female super-heroes.  When this feature first started I only included nine covers for each event; as an extra bonus today scroll down to see a few new options and selections.   Have fun and we will be back tomorrow with an all new feature.


Sheroes.   The Super Heroine $1 Shopping Spree.
  
(BAB 7.9.15) Martinex1.: Here we go again. We are taking a trip to the ever changing, ever evolving comic store with only loose change in our pocket. It is time for another round of “If I Had A Buck…” This time around, the spinner rack selection has only heroines, superwomen, and female champions from which to choose.

There has been much talk in the comic industry recently about the attempt to reach female readers and to embrace strong female protagonists. There are numerous titles on the stands today with women headliners and that is a good thing. The cinematic Marvel universe has yet to create an A list film for a heroine. Earlier endeavors in the cinema with Red Sonja, Elektra, Catwoman, and Supergirl starring were less than stellar. Recently some of the Marvel films have established strong women in team efforts with Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, and Gamora. And there is great anticipation around the Ms. Marvel solo film. Hopefully someday we will see the Wasp, Tigra, Valkyrie, Batwoman, Raven, Huntress, and others on the silver screen.

In comics, Wonder Woman was always the grandmother of all heroines. Her costume is iconic and she ranks as a great character in a pantheon alongside Batman and Superman. Her comic has endured in one form or another for many decades, she was the subject of a successful live action television show, and she will be reappearing on film soon (hopefully arriving in her invisible jet). Honestly, I never read much Wonder Woman until George Perez took over the creative control in the 1980s, but always recognized her stature particularly in the JLA.

The late 70s brought to Marvel Comic fans an array of female headliners that have definitely stood the test of time.  Many of these characters were initially derivatives of their male counterparts and were used to shore up marketing trademarks and licenses. But characters like Spider Woman, She-Hulk, and Ms. Marvel have evolved with distinct personalities, traits, and conflicts. There have been many compelling takes on these characters over the years.

Spider-Woman’s initial series ran for fifty issues, which is no small feat. She starred in a Saturday morning cartoon show as well.  The comic established Jessica Drew’s uniqueness (despite her derivative name) with her base of operations on the West Coast, with a bizarre cast of villains who had horror leanings, and a rather convoluted and evolving origin. Her series had her battle weirdos like the Brothers Grimm, Daddy Longlegs, and Gypsy Moth. She teamed regularly and also fought against the Werewolf By Night. In her introduction, she was evolved from a spider (though that origin quickly changed) and she emitted an odor or creepiness that turned people off. Today she is a consistent star in the Avengers titles and continues to grow in a new solo series.

She-Hulk likewise went through many iterations. She started off with a very tame origin of a blood transfusion from her cousin Bruce Banner; her initial series was fairly mundane. John Byrne advanced her character in his run on the Fantastic Four and in a new solo title in which the heroine regularly broke the fourth wall and had many humorous adventures and interludes. Her most recent solo title is critically acclaimed as it focuses on Jennifer’s legal expertise and relationships.

Throughout the last five decades Marvel advanced many diverse female characters in their team books and solo titles. In my opinion these characters were just as compelling as their male counterparts and often drove very interesting stories with complex characterizations and problems. The list includes but is not limited to:  The Cat, Moondragon, Mantis, Thundra, Firestar, Aleta, Nikki, Tigra, Snowbird, Aurora, Hellcat, Valkyrie, Darkstar, Sif, Medusa, Crystal, Nova, Jocasta, Sheena, Storm, Kitty Pride, Dazzler, Dagger, Rogue, Marionette, and Songbird. Some fared better than others over time. Marvel also established some memorable female villains in Black Cat, Deathbird, Typhoid Mary, Moonstone, Mystique, White Queen, Destiny, Morgan LeFay, Madame Masque, Nebula, and of course Dark Phoenix.  

Over at DC, we saw Fire, Ice, Dove, Power Girl, Huntress, Oracle, Black Canary, Supergirl, Catwoman, Hawkgirl, Jesse Quick, Batgirl, and many others.

 So today, in this discussion there are nine titles to choose from, with nine female leads (I cheated a little to get Thundra in play), and only $1.00 to spend. I am curious what you would buy if there were only female characters on the spinner rack.

But even more importantly, I am curious what you think about the many heroines. Who are your favorites? What stories are worth reading? Who has better offerings in this category, Marvel or DC? Who would you like to see more of and should have their own series? Who should lead a team? Who would you like to see get a solo movie? 

And as always, have fun! Here is the list:

The Daring New Adventures of Supergirl #7; $0.60
Dazzler #8; $0.50
Huntress #8; $1.00 (Yeah, I know you would have to spend all of your money, but that is a cool Staton cover!)
Marvel Chillers featuring Tigra The Were-Woman #5; $0.25
Marvel Two-In-One #56 starring Thundra; $0.40 (That punch had to put it on the list!)
Ms. Marvel #21; $0.35
Savage She-Hulk #10; $0.50 (with a Michael Golden cover!)
Spider-Woman #32; $0.50
Wonder Woman #5; $0.75





Martinex1:  So those were the original offerings from a couple of years ago, but here are some more heroine driven books that may be more to your liking.   What do you think?  Would either of the Starfires make your list?  How about Raven (she was one of my favorite Titans)?  Or Firestar with great pencils from Art Adams?   Share your musings with us this fine Sunday!















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